I knew that PvP gear didn't have the stats that PvE gear did but it is so far down the list of best in slot it's obvious why many have went outside of PvP to obtain gear they in fact use in PvP. I'm sure this has been debated extensively but for PvP applications best in slot should come from PvP. Not 4 piece HK or Rifts, or anything else. If the current PvP gear doesn't meet that requirement, then by all means create some more. Players have and will always grind out for that best in slot, not sure why creating more PvP gear that would give bonuses exclusively to PvP applications is a complicated concept. mefiant15: Almost everyone has at least one fully ranked and geared toon, pushing the envelope just gives us all something else to strive for.