Look, if you really want to get 2-3x as much life and 3-5x as much damage potential as the people you are "fighting" and want to call it "pvp", whatever, you need compensation for something, what that something is driving you, i dont know and honestly dont care.
I find closely matched pvp way more fun, but in rift apparently i am in the minority. Just dont come in here with your rediculous advantages and start telling people to L2P, as it just comes off as hilarious that you would actually consider yourself good with those types of advantages. All the while screaming about how your characters with actual competition are so terrible and need redicu-buffs.
If you take the 2 hours at level 18 to run IT a few times, get a drop or two and the quest items, buy a few 18 enchants from the auction house, your competitive. the same can be done at level 2X, 3X, and even 4X by rifting for your planar gear. not doing this is your own fault and not mine, or my alts.
yes level 11, 21, 31, 41 chars should get rocked in WF's to the point where they should not que, L2PVP, if you que at the low end of the bracket EXPECT TO PERFORM LIKE YOUR IN THE LOW END OF THE BRACKET.
ive said this prolly 100 times, remove 300 augs from low level crafting, make sigils have a level req, make WF ques strip high level buffs, put level req's on rep enchantments. problem solved, now all anyone has to do is take the time to run the X9 dungeon, lock xp, and drop 2 plat on enchants and consumables from the auction house. being bad or good will be completely up to you and your characters progression the way it should be in an MMO.
Sure, new players are a good thing too, but the way this game is bleeding subs, keeping the people that are already playing the game is just as important, if not more important than luring new players into the game. Sometimes it's better to cater to the people that have shown that they can commit to a game, instead of trying to cater to a bunch of unknowns.
That being said, I agree with most of what Labotimy has said (although I don't always agree with his tone). Trion needs to tweak some of the items and augments to bring twinks' power levels down a bit. Some of the stuff being used is obviously should not be used.
I also agree that people should not go into a WF half naked or at the low end of the level scale and expect to compete like the big dawgs. This is true regardless of twinking.
I am also all for limiting XP lock to level 20+. This should give the true newbies a chance to experience PvP "safely", before they're slapped in the face with the cold hard realities of PvP'ing in a gear based MMO.
It's convenient for the sake of your argument to make this comparison. But PvE and PvP do not work the same way, thusly, your comparison does not fit within this context.
"I myself would like to see more players spending plat on gear, and helping the economy in these uncertain times. God bless America, our troops and our Twinks!"
Needless to say, this is pandering, and doesn't actually bolster my argument.
I'm not the one basing my entire argument on uproven / false assumptions.
My position stems from the current state of the game. The burden of proof is on the prosecution, not the accused.
My argument IS that I enjoy it, and others do as well. This IS a fact.
Your argument is that you DO NOT enjoy it, and others don't either. But instead of stating this, you try to coerce Trion (or perhaps the undecided / unconcerned majority) by framing your argument in unverifiable "facts" like 'Twinking hurts the game'.
When you have a real and/or honest argument to make, please let us know.
Simple solution, Trion should make a good chunk of gear available in every bracket level covering more then just 2 slots specifically for PvP, should also include some weapons. They have the current vendors who only sell a couple of pieces every 5-10 levels. It would be simple and could be something like this:
Lvl 10 or 11 player can buy his first bracket of gear for a small amount of gold/silver or maybe its can be quested. He uses that gear until 20. At 20/21 player can now purchase the next set of PvP gear for Favor gained from previous bracket. Gear would be priced reasonably so that a player could purchase all the gear with the Favor he earned in the lower bracket. Continue this on up until 50.
Doing this would level out the gear gap between a twink and someone just leveling up to 50. The only real difference at that point between a twink and leveling player would be Rune enchantments.
I know from my experience if you just want to do a lot of PvP, its hard to keep up on the gear because your not questing as much and even with questing your getting some greens. All of which are quickly out dated.
I can cope with that because I have a 50 who can fund the purchase of some gear off the AH, but a new player would have a harder time with that.
Also not every P40 is equal, not each player has access to HK gear (Champ 4 piece for instance). Not to mention the difference between P35 and P36+ is rather large.
Furthermore, not every WF match is ranked. Many a time my P40 finds itself matched againts P0-40, just as my P6 finds itself in those matches.
Does 50 PvP offer some semblance of balance? While most posts on PvP and class forums would suggest not, they are certainly better balanced than 10-49. But that balance only extends to Trion attempting to segregate. Gear differentials are much easier to over-come in pre 50 PvP, where everyone has access to the gear (especially true at present with old world event items being readily available).
Don't kid yourself, when you're topping charts in WFs you're no different than these twinks you attempt to villify. The difference is, you took longer to get there. So perhaps the case isn't that you're against twinking, you're just against others being #1 when their guild tag doesn't read Vodoo, or their level read 50.
2. My argument is that I and others enjoyed it before the Twinks This IS a fact. You and people already coerced Trion to put these Twinks in by framing YOUR argument with unverifiable "facts" like "Twinking is an enjoyable part of the game" BOTH OPINIONS JUST LIKE MINE.
3. When you can see both sides of an argument let me know. You are closed minded to what you want and unwilling to listen to the other side.
I think you fall under the personality of my first sig.