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    Default For all those NAYsaying healer magers out there..

    I was thinking lately about threads that I've come across about chloros being broken in the sense that they NEED to do DAMAGE in order to HEAL.

    Well, here's a few ss to illustrate that a chloro does NOT necessarily need to put out massive damage in order to make an impact.

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    So you purposely gimped your healing to try to prove a point?
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    I think you're missing the point these many other threads are trying to make - mostly that Chloros and Bards are far inferior to Clerics, not that they can't do put up some big numbers sometimes (though tbh, especially in library I've seen bigger).

    Yes, we have Natural Healing, but relying on a single very non-diverse and slow casting skill for effective healing spam is a terrible state of affairs. It is a viable ST spam, yes, but for AOE healing we need to use LGV - and as is our damaging spells do pitiful amounts of healing. There's also the issue that anyone taking 51Chloro pretty much will not be able to have any defensive skills bar at most Detaunt and Rune Shield - pathetic compared to those of Clerics, and means we rely on crossheals from said Clerics for our viability as healers.
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    I can't help but feel what the second guy said. It looks like you could have done way more if you actually damaged people. We know chloro's can heal without people to hit. But they heal even better when they do hit people.

    I do love my little chloro mage though. Even if I try to sneak a heal role people tell me to go deeps
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    and that crossover healing is what kills us. if we dont have it. we're shot

    Yes its possible to do what you did. spamming bloom/florish/LE every single time it was off of CD. (which you should be doing to begin with)

    but what i also noticed is you took alot less dmg in all of your SS's then what chloro's do in general.

    which means you were hiding ALOT, and the other teams failed at FF

    and i have a sneaking suspicion you some 1 watching your back. *hence the whitebars over everyones name* i feel these were doctored in a fashion to make this post.
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    also i noticed in BOTH games it was a blowout win. im sure you were alos part of a premade now.


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    If you leave a 51 chloro alone, he will outheal anyone. That's not really the issue.

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    Sure, you can put up good numbers primarily direct healing and doing a minimal amount of void lifeing.

    That being said, you totally missed the point.

    I've had games where I get a ridiculous amount of kills or heals done because for some reason the other team never seems to even target me. Cherry-picking some screenshots where you had high healing and low damage doesn't really demonstrate anything. I've done 60k+ healing in library with 16 points chloro and 0 life damage spells on my bars. It's not primary healing.

    And yeah, you can have games where people leave you alone and you do great healing. Good luck having that happen if two people so much as look at you. Get lingering wounds on yourself and an SC can either A.) totally neutralize your outbound healing as you chain cleanse yourself like an idiot or B.) kill you...and that's without even using Lightning Burst. It's just not a viable healer when you're being engaged by competent DPS.
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    Lol, I'll get the unedited ones up asap.
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    Mages want to do single target healing now comparable to clerics? Next you'll be wanting a viable melee spec.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaceboots View Post
    Mages want to do single target healing now comparable to clerics? Next you'll be wanting a viable melee spec.
    Yeah, next thing you know Clerics will want viable DPS.
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    Is there actually some point to this thread?


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    Point of thread: I was top healer in some WFs as a 51 chloro. I posted because I don't understand how completely boned a 51 chloro is the moment he gets focused or even targeted by a dps.

    You know how dps complain that they can't 1v1 a cleric healer? You don't hear that about 51 chloros. Because any dps of equivalent rank with a healing debuff can easily 1v1 a 51 chloro.

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    Congrats. You were a 51 Chloro that was left alone.

    You know why 51 Chloro's (can) do well in premades? Because the other team is focused on trying to blow up the Clerics on your team that are kiting the DPS and still healing as hard.

    I can put up Cleric like numbers and Cleric like effective healing throughput if I'm left alone to Void Life spam, cast Ruin, cast Nature's Fury, and use Natural Healing on Procs. Then blowing Entropic Veil, Wild Growth, and Nature's Splendor at the same time through heavy AoE burst. Anyone can.

    But if one single Rogue finds you? He may or may not kill you depending on peels. But the simple act of him being on you drops your healing efficiency to almost nothing. And if he's any good, and especially the 51NB/15 Infil spec that I'm surprised people haven't abused/been QQ'd about, you're dead.

    Clerics have Chloro/Lock like survivability (arguably more) and 51 Chloro like Healing Throughput. That's the issue.

    I've talked to other PvP mages. And it seems like in circumstances where they need to heal they still carry both 32/32/2 and 51/XX/XX specs. They constantly have to toggle between both depending on how much focus they're eating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by handerhank View Post
    Point of thread: I was top healer in some WFs as a 51 chloro. I posted because I don't understand how completely boned a 51 chloro is the moment he gets focused or even targeted by a dps.

    You know how dps complain that they can't 1v1 a cleric healer? You don't hear that about 51 chloros. Because any dps of equivalent rank with a healing debuff can easily 1v1 a 51 chloro.
    That is the joy of wearing cloth. The sad thing is most clerics don't heal. Fact.


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