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    Default Dominator Ability Deny

    Deny:

    Removes all Poisons, Diseases and Curses on an Ally. 10 sec CD.

    For PvP this is one of the most over powered abilities. It completely negates many Soul defining and very high -talent and cost wise- abilities.

    An ability this powerful should be on a 120sec CD at he very least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riftrox View Post
    Deny:

    Removes all Poisons, Diseases and Curses on an Ally. 10 sec CD.

    For PvP this is one of the most over powered abilities. It completely negates many Soul defining and very high -talent and cost wise- abilities.

    An ability this powerful should be on a 120sec CD at he very least.
    Dominators are OP, therefore an OP counter must exist.


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    Don't worry, mages who want to keep their OP going will come in and tell you that Dom is fine.



    But it really isn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowprison View Post
    Don't worry, mages who want to keep their OP going will come in and tell you that Dom is fine.



    But it really isn't
    calling dom OP when NB/RS exists
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riftrox View Post
    Eradicate

    Removes two of the enemy's buffs. 0 second CD.

    For PvP this is one of the most over powered abilities. It completely negates many Soul defining and very high -talent and cost wise- abilities.

    An ability this powerful should be on a (anything above 0) CD at the very least.
    Agree completely!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKillian View Post
    calling dom OP when NB/RS exists
    If you think NB/RS is OP, you've been living under a rock for a full patch and a few hotfixes.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bleeds View Post
    Agree completely!
    If the purge system and buff spam in this game wasn't so ******ed I'd agree, but until that's dealt with consider it a necessary evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowprison View Post
    If you think NB/RS is OP, you've been living under a rock for a full patch and a few hotfixes.




    If the purge system and buff spam in this game wasn't so ******ed I'd agree, but until that's dealt with consider it a necessary evil.
    How convenient it is to ignore the many, many debuffs that ca be placed on someone as well.

    SMH.
    Remind me of a time where debuffs can't be applied constantly and I'll gladly agree to deny being made equivalent to nature's cleansing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aguni View Post
    How convenient it is to ignore the many, many debuffs that ca be placed on someone as well.

    SMH.
    Remind me of a time where debuffs can't be applied constantly and I'll gladly agree to deny being made equivalent to nature's cleansing.
    May I ask what makes mages like you think they are the special pea in the pod?


    Think I like being chained to cleanse soul with its awesome 2min CD?

    Deny was still useful back when it was a longer CD ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowprison View Post
    May I ask what makes mages like you think they are the special pea in the pod?
    I am a mage?
    You mean to refer to me as a player who plays a mage.
    No I do not think myself special.
    If it makes you feel justified in your arguments then I'd prefer you cease doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowprison View Post
    Think I like being chained to cleanse soul with its awesome 2min CD?
    Think I like being slaughtered by NB/RS as one of the means to defeating them (purge) is on a 10s cooldown and removes only one buff at a time?
    Which is also on a soul that happens to be rather poor for PvP overall.
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowprison View Post
    Deny was still useful back when it was a longer CD ability.
    I imagine eradicate would still be useful it had an actual CD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aguni View Post
    I am a mage?
    You mean to refer to me as a player who plays a mage.
    No I do not think myself special.
    If it makes you feel justified in your arguments then I'd prefer you cease doing so.


    Think I like being slaughtered by NB/RS as one of the means to defeating them (purge) is on a 10s cooldown and removes only one buff at a time?


    I imagine eradicate would still be useful it had an actual CD.
    You don't need to purge to beat a NB/RS, just learn what their CDs are and use yours accordingly.

    I quite enjoy it when the FotM chasers throw their biggest nukes and CDs into my -80% damage cooldown.




    And no, eradicate wouldn't be useful if it had a CD, try purging that specific buff off a player when they have 20+ buffs on them and your victory over them crutches completely off getting it off.

    Splits and Planar blade for example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aguni View Post
    I imagine eradicate would still be useful it had an actual CD.
    I see your 10 points and I raise you 44.

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    I just want to be able to survive for 10 seconds when having 2 dps on me, I don't think that's too much to ask for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowprison View Post
    And no, eradicate wouldn't be useful if it had a CD, try purging that specific buff off a player when they have 20+ buffs on them and your victory over them crutches completely off getting it off.

    Splits and Planar blade for example.
    So you agree that every other purge besides Eradicate is basically useless.... Because that's how it sorta seems to me too.

    But yeah, it's a pretty potent spell for 10 points in Dom, Switch it to be 20 or 25, no one really just goes 10 points in dom anyway. Very few mage builds are going to spend one of their 3 souls going just 10 points in dom when instant sheep is 6 more, and so much more is just above that.
    Last edited by Bleeds; 12-13-2011 at 12:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bleeds View Post
    So you agree that every other purge besides Eradicate is basically useless.... Because that's how it sorta seems to me too.
    See my 44 point comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fia View Post
    I just want to be able to survive for 10 seconds when having 2 dps on me, I don't think that's too much to ask for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowprison View Post
    You don't need to purge to beat a NB/RS, just learn what their CDs are and use yours accordingly.
    AHAHAHAHAHA
    *coughs*
    Sorry.
    I thought you were trying to make a joke of some sort.

    There is a reason nb/rs is one of the rogue specs that mages still hate having to deal with regularly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowprison View Post
    I quite enjoy it when the FotM chasers throw their biggest nukes and CDs into my -80% damage cooldown.
    What relevance does this ha-

    OH I SEE!
    Nothing at all.
    Move along folks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowprison View Post
    And no, nature's cleansing wouldn't be useful if it had a CD, try cleansing that specific buff off a player when they have 20+ debuffs on them and your victory crutches completely remove them.

    Fell Blades, Vampiric Munitions for example
    Turn it around and it makes just as much sense.
    Deny is perfectly fine as it is considering how much debuff is thrown around.
    In fact, Deny can be used on people outside of the dom.
    So...you know...if another dom hits you with Traitorous influence, or uses Haunting Pain then Storm Shackle, your allied dom can remove it all without your team suffering.

    Just like how a rogue using eradicate can purge a marksman.
    Only difference is Deny has an actual cooldown.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bleeds View Post
    So you agree that every other purge besides Eradicate is basically useless.... Because that's how it sorta seems to me too.

    But yeah, it's a pretty potent spell for 10 points in Dom, Switch it to be 20 or 25, no one really just goes 10 points in dom anyway. Very few mage builds are going to spend one of their 3 souls going just 10 points in dom when instant sheep is 6 more, and so much more is just above that.
    I can agree to this idea.
    Deny is a powerful ability and should be placed higher up to reflect this fact.
    Last edited by Aguni; 12-13-2011 at 12:06 AM.

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