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    Default Disable Rogues!

    Please disable Rogues from entering Warfronts. Especially Scion.
    I have already rerolled because I was smart enough, but some people keep trying.
    Disable the "join" button for them till 1.5.

    I am really sick of losing due to the biggest amount of Rogues.
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    50% of the rogue complaints are legitimate and attempts are being made to fix them.

    50% of the rogue complaints are senseless hyperbole made by players who just don't understand the game and hate losing. Kinda like the "their team has too many warriors" type of statements.

    Guess which one this thread is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajax1114 View Post
    50% of the rogue complaints are legitimate and attempts are being made to fix them.

    50% of the rogue complaints are senseless hyperbole made by players who just don't understand the game and hate losing. Kinda like the "their team has too many warriors" type of statements.

    Guess which one this thread is.
    50% of the Rogues in WFs are bad. 50% are good.

    Guess which team has the good 50%, am I right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qia View Post
    Please disable Rogues from entering Warfronts. Especially Scion.
    I have already rerolled because I was smart enough, but some people keep trying.
    Disable the "join" button for them till 1.5.

    I am really sick of losing due to the biggest amount of Rogues.
    Doing it wrong. I ditched my cleric for a rogue and still wouldn't have turned back even before I heard the 1.5 notes. I can't wait till the crying comes after 1.5 because the masses of terrible players got rogues buffed and the good players behind a rogue toon are going to smash faces harder than they do now.

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    If you played against me on my Rogue, you would know I did not suck.
    Second, I am not complaining about my class being overpowered. I am not playing my Rogue anymore. I haven't been playing my Rogue for about 1 month now. I "gave it away" it.

    In my entire game time (I had around 70 days played when I stopped playing) I have NOT seen a Rogue that was comparable to a good Warrior/Mage/Cleric since headstart.
    This is to counter "bad" and "good" Rogues. No other played with whome I played have seen a good rogue.
    Must be that 99% of Rogues are really really bad right?

    In Scion I see Marksmans crit for 2k with Dead Eye shot?
    I see stopcasters do 1,6k ticks from DS in same same.

    Seriously, I am not a Rogue. I just see rogues always top bottom everything.
    1 bard is good, what alse?

    There is ONE, only one good rogue in my entire Battlegroup (whitefall eu). His name is Cal from Tainted (defiant) and he is 50x less of a threat then a proper stopcaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qia View Post
    Please disable Rogues from entering Warfronts. Especially Scion.
    I have already rerolled because I was smart enough, but some people keep trying.
    Disable the "join" button for them till 1.5.

    I am really sick of losing due to the biggest amount of Rogues.
    I guess my experience is just unusual, but I've been in a lot of warfronts with some really awesome rogues.

    I get a R6-R8 rogue in a game with me and I'm happy.

    Devastating death machines - no joke. I need to start taking some screen shots.

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    3 good defiant Rogues that I have seen since headstart.

    Cal@Whitefall from Tainted
    Roa@Cloudborne from Russian Mafia
    Kaboom@Sagespire from Unnamed

    This are all the "good" Rogues and are probably a lot better then a lot of mageS/clerics/warriors.
    That being said I have never ever in my entire game play time lose because of them.

    They were never the cause of lose. They were just good. They were weaker then any proper Warrior/Cleric/Mage.

    They were weaker because they can't be stronger. It's the class, not the player. No matter how you look at it.
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    Can I get my rogue turned in to a cleric?Keep achivments and gear(same @ slot) and bank etc.
    Willing to pay 10euro.

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    more rogues = less clerics and mages which are kings of scion.

    pvp tanks and 51 champs and rb/rv/ch are marginally usefull too (mostly for spreading herpes ... err heal debuffs).


    But yeah I agree, rogues have no place in scion except intercepting carriers.



    Also: Qia, I'm not sure why vayra and I are quoted ... but kaboom was part of our premade when we ran them ... 4 months ago. This games pvp is too much of a joke to run premades anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaine View Post
    But yeah I agree, rogues have no place in scion except intercepting carriers.
    I posted these in another thread while discussing Cabs/Clerics, but since you mention Rogues not offering much in Scion...

    by damage - Disable Rogues!-2011-09-19_065251.jpg
    by heals - Disable Rogues!-2011-09-19_065255.jpg

    That would be a Rogue as #4 for damage and a Rogue as #2 for heals...
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    Quote Originally Posted by VirusDancer View Post
    I posted these in another thread while discussing Cabs/Clerics, but since you mention Rogues not offering much in Scion...

    by damage - Attachment 6280
    by heals - Attachment 6279

    That would be a Rogue as #4 for damage and a Rogue as #2 for heals...
    If the best you can do is show me a rogue that's #4 in the damage meter ... it further amplifies the op's (pun very much intended) statement.

    Show me one where the rogue takes the #1 spot like the cleric with 2x the damage output as the next calling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaine View Post
    If the best you can do is show me a rogue that's #4 in the damage meter ... it further amplifies the op's (pun very much intended) statement.

    Show me one where the rogue takes the #1 spot like the cleric with 2x the damage output as the next calling.
    #4 out of 40... oh the shame of it, eh?
    #2 out of 40... oh the shame of if, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by VirusDancer View Post
    #4 out of 40... oh the shame of it, eh?
    #2 out of 40... oh the shame of if, eh?
    no it's the context.

    It's #4 out of 40 was the best ..... in what 50 games of port scion over the weeked? You don't think it's odd that your best SS of a rogue has a cleric out dpsing him by a factor of 4.

    In 0 of my games was a rogue on top. It's about 55% cleric (many times on my cleric) and 35% mages and a few times I did it on my r8 warrior. 0 times out of the 80+ games I played was the rogue ever on top.

    Meanwhile, I've seen some mages with 1m damage and 800k healing, (I think that was a 32 chloro, but not sure).

    But keep thinking that the 1 game where the rogue goes 4 out of 40 and 2 clerics are our dpsing by a factor of 2 or 4 ...... that the rogue is fine.

    It's the same as WAR ... aoe is king. It scales too well. (the same applies to aoe healing, except trion bandages it with more heal debuffs).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaine View Post
    But keep thinking that the 1 game where the rogue goes 4 out of 40 and 2 clerics are our dpsing by a factor of 2 or 4 ...... that the rogue is fine.
    It is not a case of saying the Rogue is fine. After all, for the most part - those shots were taken to show that Cabs are not fine - that Warriors are not fine.

    This was your statement though: "But yeah I agree, rogues have no place in scion except intercepting carriers."

    Which I feel to be incorrect...

    There is a world of difference between your insinuating that outside of ganking runners, Rogues serve no purpose in Scion.

    To an extent, I agree with you on the AoE isuse - the funny thing about that though, is in looking at Warriors compared to the Clerics and Mages...how much is ST and how much is AoE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VirusDancer View Post
    I posted these in another thread while discussing Cabs/Clerics, but since you mention Rogues not offering much in Scion...

    by damage - Attachment 6280
    by heals - Attachment 6279

    That would be a Rogue as #4 for damage and a Rogue as #2 for heals...
    #2 heals by 50% less LOL

    #4 damage by 4x less LOL
    Last edited by Pesmergia; 09-19-2011 at 04:13 AM.

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