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    Cool Arena

    So I'm r8 and super bored of queueing in just groups of 5, and still having to play with the uncooperative.

    Why so hostile to arena? The possibilities are endless. This game lacks competitive pvp. WFs hold no results. 5v5/3v3 would be far more fun than skilless world pvp - "derp but focusing a target makes a team pro", no it really doesnt.
    • Arena doesn't have to reward pvp gear so no-one has to be forced to play it. Just cosmetic rewards or titles.
    • All stats could be equalised upon entry, a bit like how you take off gear when dueling lower ranks (because the gear difference is atrocious)
    • "It'll make imbalance more obvious"? That's a boon for balancing!
    • You don't have to play it if you're bad/don't enjoy it.
    • "It promotes elitism"? Thats kind of a gigantic part of pvp, carebears. If you want to do something that everyone can; go kill a mob/pve.

    I for one would love to see this brilliant soul system in arena, it would be so fun and exciting! For instance using CC to help a teammate go ooc and change roles to name just one example...
    Last edited by Deicidium; 08-27-2011 at 12:11 AM.

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    Until the game in balanced in a manner that every class could compete on some level based on skill then it shouldn't be implemented.

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    Imbalances aren't obvious because there's not much incentive for people to uncover them. You don't need the best builds, gear, or composition to win WFs. And you don't even need to win WFs for that matter.

    For example I am pretty sure that 2x RB/champ warrior + chlorolock would be the best 3v3 team in 1.4. But how can I say for sure since there will never be a tournament? Maybe something wacky with a subdue tank and healers would come out on top instead.
    Last edited by Stay; 08-27-2011 at 12:57 AM.

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    Every time you raise this the same overwhelming answer.

    1. It was horrible i wow
    2. its not needed
    3. its not wanted.

    No and a thousand times no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auchter View Post
    Every time you raise this the same overwhelming answer.

    1. It was horrible i wow
    2. its not needed
    3. its not wanted.

    No and a thousand times no.
    The same thing that ******s say when we talk about arena. From the same guy who's saying class X is OP while he doesn't even know how to counter it (or others don't, if he's saying his own class is OP).

    1. Arena was perfect in WoW. Competitive PvP, with someone you chose to play with, in balanced numbers and without any terrain advantage for one team. All this with a good rating system.
    Of course the guys who couldn't get high were blaming the "bad system" or "class imbalance" as an excuse while any class could get very high anyway.
    The only problems with WoW arena were the gear rewards (I'm not really against it, but it brings too many whining scrubs (like bunzy) who will destroy the game because their macro doesn't work against good players) and the PvE gear (fortunately, relics are the only PvE items useful in PvP here, and hopefully Trion will eventually do something to make them useless in PvP or make PvP weapons better than them).

    2. Of course that it isn't needed. People are grinding to R8, get their gear, and what's left for them to do then? Do PuG warfronts all day, against R4 players? So much fun! Do World PvP, and get ganked because of faction imbalance? Maybe a few players do like this, but a lot more want real competitive PvP which isn't about grinding but fighting against other good players in a competitive environnement.

    3. Nobody wants it, but there are regularly threads created about it by the few competitive players who're still there (the others might resub once arenas or rated warfronts are there). People were opposed to arena during beta, but now they're starting to understand that the PvP becomes boring very quickly without a form of competitive PvP, like arena or rated warfronts.

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    Arena was grossly imbalanced in wow, and blizzard have said they wished they'd never introduced it!

    How damning is that for your oh so perfect system.

    Minority interest. Not PvP. Don't want it. Real Pvpers want something akin to DAOC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deicidium View Post
    So I'm r8 and super bored of queueing in just groups of 5, and still having to play with the uncooperative.

    Why so hostile to arena? The possibilities are endless. This game lacks competitive pvp. WFs hold no results. 5v5/3v3 would be far more fun than skilless world pvp - "derp but focusing a target makes a team pro", no it really doesnt.
    • Arena doesn't have to reward pvp gear so no-one has to be forced to play it. Just cosmetic rewards or titles.
    • All stats could be equalised upon entry, a bit like how you take off gear when dueling lower ranks (because the gear difference is atrocious)
    • "It'll make imbalance more obvious"? That's a boon for balancing!
    • You don't have to play it if you're bad/don't enjoy it.
    • "It promotes elitism"? Thats kind of a gigantic part of pvp, carebears. If you want to do something that everyone can; go kill a mob/pve.

    I for one would love to see this brilliant soul system in arena, it would be so fun and exciting! For instance using CC to help a teammate go ooc and change roles to name just one example...
    Stop asking for arena because all that is going to do is add more QQ threads on OP combination you ignorant buffoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noctisx View Post
    Stop asking for arena because all that is going to do is add more QQ threads on OP combination you ignorant buffoon.
    As if forum QQ has ever been a problem

    Besides, trion could make 4v4 where you need one of each class, eliminating the reason fotm is a problem
    Last edited by Deicidium; 08-27-2011 at 03:41 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auchter View Post
    Arena was grossly imbalanced in wow, and blizzard have said they wished they'd never introduced it!

    How damning is that for your oh so perfect system.

    Minority interest. Not PvP. Don't want it. Real Pvpers want something akin to DAOC.
    Wrong, blizzard said they were unhappy with the time and way it was implemented. All classes can get high rating in WoW, besides there are only 4 in rift.

    By definition of 5v5 it IS PvP. Real pvpers LOL? Anything with more than 12 players is ridiculous. No-one can possibly hope to keep track of all enemy cooldowns, buffs/debuffs, the diminishing returns timers on everyone and what they are all casting. Large scale pvp breaks down and becomes faceroll. Your performance makes less and less of a difference to the extent of which in 15v15 probabilistically, afk'ing doesnt make much of a difference.
    Last edited by Deicidium; 08-27-2011 at 03:50 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auchter View Post
    Every time you raise this the same overwhelming answer.

    1. It was horrible i wow
    2. its not needed
    3. its not wanted.

    No and a thousand times no.
    1. No it was not
    2. Yes it is, i want some competetive pvp and Arena offers this
    3. Hell yes it IS wanted by many players, at least some "sort" of Arena, doesnt necessarily need to be like in WoW. Like alrdy stated you won't be forced in Arena, but we want it as an option.

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    Then all you wowkiddie lolarena fans know where you can go if you want that sort of silly game.

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    The game does not need arena (though some sort of group duels would be nice so players can do that sort of stuff if they want and even organize intra-server arena leagues if they want), but the other WoW feature for competitive pvp would be welcome: rated battlegrounds. Ie, you need to form a full group of people as a raid and will be only queued against other people with same sort of full groups. It's far more interesting than arena and far more balanced too since numbers are the same as in normal warfronts.

    I don't think this game should give specific gear to people doing extremely well in those, but some extra favor/prestige, titles and aesthetic stuff would suit. Naturally on top of that all you'd get something to brag about if your rated warfront team is good.

    True pvp people would also get the actual competitive matches since the system should match teams with roughly the same performance against each other. Hell, even lower rank teams might be viable if there's enough interest so that the game matches them mostly with other lower rank teams.
    Last edited by Elmokki; 08-27-2011 at 04:26 AM.

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    Why so hostile to arena? The possibilities are endless.
    The simple truth is baddies are afraid of a real competitive format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warskull View Post
    The simple truth is baddies are afraid of a real competitive format.
    Simple truth is arenas were a steaming pile of excrement in wow that catered to a minority of kiddies. This is not wow. We don't want wowcrap here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warskull View Post
    The simple truth is baddies are afraid of a real competitive format.
    This ^

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