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Thread: Honest question: why are P8 weapons 33% stronger than P6?

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    Default Honest question: why are P8 weapons 33% stronger than P6?

    Gear is a major (note: not the only) deciding factor in PvP. Some people think that's completely wrong. Other people recognize the necessity for tangible character progression in MMOs. Either way, there's a marked difference between fresh 50s and max rank players in terms of performance. Queuing all of them together in the same pool is going to produce some very lopsided fights, and disparities will only widen as new ranks and gear are introduced. At some point, we'll need tiered WFs or some type of "catch-up" for the entry-level players just to maintain some semblance of competitive balance. That's the nature of the PvP beast in this genre.

    All of that said, I have to ask: why in the hell are you jacking up the stats so damn fast? The game isn't even six months old and you've already doubled entry-level epics in terms of weapon dps. Going from P6 to P8 weaponry is essentially a single tier jump, so why in the world is it also a 33% increase in dps? Why go from 44 to 58dps? PvPers would grind away just the same for a 5-8dps upgrade; the motivation, to have the very best gear, would be identical. The only difference? You wouldn't exacerbate the issues caused by gear disparity in a pvp end-game with no tiers.

    I guess I just don't understand why you're inflating stats so rampantly this early in Rift's lifespan. Mudflation is very real and potentially quite destructive. At this rate, you're risking unsustainable growth for fairly nebulous (and possibly nonexistent) gains.

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    They are keep pace with hammerknel weapons. Why would you want pvp weapons even weaker than pve weapons, think dude.

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    Yeah, at the beginning they had a decent anti-mudflation stance but Hammerknell and P8 threw it out of the window.
    The epic essence buffs were what started the path I would say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrunchyBacon View Post
    They are keep pace with hammerknel weapons. Why would you want pvp weapons even weaker than pve weapons, think dude.
    Think dude, why is HK gear so powerful? As was noted already in the thread, Trion was anti-mudflation... now they're basically just a WoW clone....

    ...I want to go back to the betas and pretend this nightmare since the headstart never took place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrunchyBacon View Post
    They are keep pace with hammerknel weapons. Why would you want pvp weapons even weaker than pve weapons, think dude.
    Hammerknell weapons are tuned for hammerknell encounters.

    Some moron at trion just stuck 44dpsers into pvp without any thought for existing balance, HP pools etc. They weren't and aren't needed.

    Massively stupid idea. Enormously stupid.

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    if they really wanted to they could have just made a code on the new hammerknell weapons that they perform on par with gsb relics when targeting players, people then are happy getting their new pve weps and no impact on pvp.

    trion have studied wow too much, and dont think of alternative way to do things
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    Quote Originally Posted by j3w3l View Post
    if they really wanted to they could have just made a code on the new hammerknell weapons that they perform on par with gsb relics when targeting players, people then are happy getting their new pve weps and no impact on pvp.

    trion have studied wow too much, and dont think of alternative way to do things
    No.

    This is taking the valor vs hit BS to the extreme.

    PvE players cry that pvp weapons make it too easy to skip previous PvE content. Hit comes into play. PvP players make the same complaints about pve armor/weapons, now we have valow..

    Just get over people wanting to use the same weapon with the same effectiveness in both pvp and pve. No need for all this separation. Aside from the few exploiters in both types of play, everyone has some type of time sink or grind for their gear. Neither is "EZ mode" because if it were the fastest path to the best gear people would take it and be done with it. Instead they know either is a grind and just play to their personal preferences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VirusDancer View Post
    Think dude, why is HK gear so powerful? As was noted already in the thread, Trion was anti-mudflation... now they're basically just a WoW clone....

    ...I want to go back to the betas and pretend this nightmare since the headstart never took place.
    I have to agreed. So what is the 1h weapon dmg of next PvE dungeon or PvP level? 60? 70 or 80 and called them low-level 1 GCD lawnmower.
    Trion should have some sense that this kind of balloon in gear won't help them get new sub or even get old sub to play alt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrunchyBacon View Post
    They are keep pace with hammerknel weapons. Why would you want pvp weapons even weaker than pve weapons, think dude.
    Good point, but only because the difficulty of Hammerknell, and it's subsequent weapon values, were preordained by the great spider.

    Oh wait, they were created, arbitrarily, by Trion as well. So the only reason why those weapons need to be such an irresponsibly enormous step up is because Trion said so - just like the PvP equivalents.

    If they'd added 5dps to all the weapons, everyone would still be pvping. The only difference is that P8 players wouldn't blow up fresh 50s in 1-2 globals. It might actually take 3-4.

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    It'll be a sad day if Trion goes the Cataclysm approach with their expansion: super-inflation of every stat for every level past 50 (past 80 in WoW's case). We'll probably have 60 or 80 dps weapons soon if Trion continues with this inflation.

    Not only does super-inflation separate the levels too much (a level 80 vs 81 duel in WoW is quite unfair due to the 10k hp bonus for leveling 80 to 81. That doesn't happen for the other levels), but it just creates absurd numbers since all you can do is go up logically. Of course, Trion can stop the inflation now before it's too late. It's up to them to do it, though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nacho View Post
    Yeah, at the beginning they had a decent anti-mudflation stance but Hammerknell and P8 threw it out of the window.
    The epic essence buffs were what started the path I would say.

    Mudflation will always be a consequence of the business model. The only question is the timing. Heavy on the carrot, light on the stick until you can raise the level cap and do it all over again. Its all part of the grand illusion of wonder that fuels MMOs

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