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    Default There's no PVP in WFs....

    I play a Guardian on Shadefallen and at least in my battle group (shadefallen, Tearfall, wolfsbane, Faemist) as somone else said in another thread, it's all Defiant all day.

    Every game I've joined since I hit 50 ends at about 10 to 500 or less than 50 to a 1000 depending on the map. I asked another player if its always like this and he said he hit 50 4 weeks ago and has won 6 games since then as a Guardian. I don't think he is exaggerating based on my experience so far.

    The fact is for whatever reason or however it got that way Guardians in this battle group and possibly others (or maybe Defiants have same problem in another battle group) are majorly outgeared. Maybe more Defiants leveled to 50 quicker and began ranking pvp faster or maybe guardians have more new 50s I really don't know.

    What I do know is say what you like but there is no real pvp happening. If you're a guard and you get off the rez pad you get killed in 2 seconds so most just stay up on the pad until the match ends. Sometimes its premades but even the defiant pugs seem to far out rank and outgear guardian pugs. This can only continue to perpetuate the imbalance as Defiants win over 90% of the time so they will get more favor and gear up faster while the Guardians that don't quit in frustration will take FOREVER to get favor and rank up.

    Some players get a kick out of steam rolling the other team but I play to pvp not just to win. I can't imagine how PVP in its current state can really be fun for anyone when there is so little pvp involved. It's just favor farming at this point with very little actual pvp combat.

    I don't know what can be done about this but I hope Trion considers this issue, though I'm not sure what they can do. Wether or not anything can be done if this doesn't change I will not continue to play because it feels like a huge waste of time and unneccessary frustration. It's not a threat just a fact. I know for a fact MANY other players feel the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordox View Post
    It's just favor farming at this point
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sez View Post
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    True, but I've played other mmos where imbalances between factions were present but not this severe. people will always farm pvp but having any significant chance at winning is the only thing that will keep peopel playing. If you know you're almost guaranteed to lose how long will people stick with it? I'm guessing not long.

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    The defiant vs guardian "imbalance" as a whole is non-existent. It's all based on battle group, time of day, server types, and etc.

    In my battlegroup (seastone, briarcliff, byriel, etc) for example, Defiant pretty much always loose. We get the occasional victory, but most the time it is decidably one sided.

    15-20 minute queues for a constant steam of embarrassing losses is starting to suck, haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordox View Post
    If you know you're almost guaranteed to lose how long will people stick with it? I'm guessing not long.
    Not while you only get 1/5th the points a winner gets.
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    Wierd how many guardian and defaint players both complain about losing to many Wfs ,but it is true that when you are 50 its all about the points and not the experience. Hurrah for people who can't enjoy entertainment they pay monthly for!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thulium View Post
    The defiant vs guardian "imbalance" as a whole is non-existent. It's all based on battle group, time of day, server types, and etc.

    In my battlegroup (seastone, briarcliff, byriel, etc) for example, Defiant pretty much always loose. We get the occasional victory, but most the time it is decidably one sided.

    15-20 minute queues for a constant steam of embarrassing losses is starting to suck, haha.
    He was pretty specific it is our cluster, not guardian.

    I am in this cluster as well and this is no exaggeration, ask anyone from it. Defiant rolls high rank premades all day, and when it is not premades it is the same old high rank names.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiron101 View Post
    Hurrah for people who can't enjoy entertainment they pay monthly for!
    I like you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiron101 View Post
    Wierd how many guardian and defaint players both complain about losing to many Wfs ,but it is true that when you are 50 its all about the points and not the experience. Hurrah for people who can't enjoy entertainment they pay monthly for!
    They are probably from different clusters.

    I don't quite get what you are saying with the rest of your post, sarcasm or what? Say what you mean man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mako482 View Post
    He was pretty specific it is our cluster, not guardian.

    I am in this cluster as well and this is no exaggeration, ask anyone from it. Defiant rolls high rank premades all day, and when it is not premades it is the same old high rank names.
    The fact we are in different clusters is irrelevant.

    My point is: this sort of faction domination goes on in pretty much every cluster. One faction having some sort of advantage (because they don't) is not the issue, premades and the gear gap are the issue.
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    Granted I'm not PvPing in the 50 bracket yet, but of the three different shards (all different - one pve, one pvp and one rp shard/one Guardian and two Defiant), the queue times and wins/losses really do depend on the time of day and the quality of the players.

    This is in all brackets below 50. (pvping cleric, rogue, mage and warrior too.)

    Those that 'know' how to work together to win do, those that sit farming HKs and talking about leaderboards tend to be a loss or fail-afkers hut teams. One lame cleric sits and honor farms midfield and brags about how he's top of the charts. Never helps escort or chase down a shard carrier, but he's something special. At least he keeps the middle of the map safe /sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ziboo View Post
    Granted I'm not PvPing in the 50 bracket yet, but of the three different shards (all different - one pve, one pvp and one rp shard/one Guardian and two Defiant), the queue times and wins/losses really do depend on the time of day and the quality of the players.
    This is true below 50 yes. I enjoyed pvp in lower brackets where you had some good matches and "bad" matches. Trust me though when you hit 50 it's a whole other story. I hate to be the bearer of bad news and discourage you but that's sadly just how it is atm.
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    50% of this Battlegroups BG wardrobes.

    Match starts. 1/2 the guardian team runs to the middle, the rest are god knows where trying to collect red wings or dancing somewhere.
    The guardians get wiped. The late arriving ranged gets wiped.
    Guardians go afk at spawn until the same ends while complaining about PMs that are actually PUGs
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    I would just like to add, I sure hope they don't add something to this game before they add something else that is totally unrelated to the thing they might add, because that would really tick me off or something if they added it first before the thing that should be added first even though its totally unrelated like, you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordox View Post
    True, but I've played other mmos where imbalances between factions were present but not this severe. people will always farm pvp but having any significant chance at winning is the only thing that will keep peopel playing. If you know you're almost guaranteed to lose how long will people stick with it? I'm guessing not long.
    Sure there was. See Warhammer.

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