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    Enjoy your long queues defiant. Eventually players like me will stop joining your premade rollfests.
    Hurry up and quit to SWtOR and other new game titles.

    Tearfail has to be the worst bunch of f***ers in any game I've played both factions. Go DIAF! then some..






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    As others have said (TRION are you listening?) rotate shard clusers OR better yest have Warfronts open to all shards.

    Shorter queue times and no balance issues then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mako482 View Post
    You rotate server clusters once a month so a server is not facing the same people. This is happening all over the game, once a side becomes stronger than another it snowballs. The strong keep getting stronger even faster while the weak gets pounded for a little reward. It never ends. At least mixing them up once a month will give everyone a chance to compete so you are not stuck in the same cluster on the weak side.

    Of course it could still happen but would beat the **** out of what it is now. I am off this cluster as soon as they allow transfers, do you think I am the only one? This will cause even more imbalance but I pay for my fun, not someone elses.
    I don't want to see server rotations. It is nice to know the people from the other servers instead of seeing strangers. maybe increase the BG size. I wish the balance was a bit better though. Guardians are terribad ATM. Some really good players but mixed with some really really bad.

    Perhaps convince the high rank guardians that only queue for WH for easy farming to try and compete in the other zones.

    I think you have the forum record for the most posts moaning about losing.

    During primetime 7-11 in the evening the WFs are much more balanced.

    There are maybe three defiant players who spam crap when rolling the other side. Just put them on ignore.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vashane View Post
    I would just like to add, I sure hope they don't add something to this game before they add something else that is totally unrelated to the thing they might add, because that would really tick me off or something if they added it first before the thing that should be added first even though its totally unrelated like, you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mako482 View Post
    You rotate server clusters once a month so a server is not facing the same people.
    Intriguing. Then maybe I wouldn't have to Brocliff slags constantly trashing their own team before, during and after every match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhunter View Post
    Well, I'm pretty sure removing shard clusters and just making queues region-wide is a huge leap in fixing the major imbalances for certain clusters. I'll use some examples with no actual factual backing to prove my point here:

    Let us say 25% of all shard clusters are "Guardian dominated", 25% are "Defiant dominated", and the rest are pretty well balanced (just hypothetically speaking here). If we toss these all in one big mixing pot together, there is no reason to believe that things won't get better for players who were part of "Dominated" shard clusters.
    In this cluster the W/L ratio would not look that bad since Guardians win nearly every WH map.
    Probably 65/35 as a guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vashane View Post
    I would just like to add, I sure hope they don't add something to this game before they add something else that is totally unrelated to the thing they might add, because that would really tick me off or something if they added it first before the thing that should be added first even though its totally unrelated like, you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wulfhunter View Post
    Well, I'm pretty sure removing shard clusters and just making queues region-wide is a huge leap in fixing the major imbalances for certain clusters.
    Removing clusters altogether would make a huge version of what we're seeing now. The problem is fotm rerollers who go to the side that is winning. You see it in every faction based PvP game, regardless of genre. It was one of the biggest heartbreaks in PlanetSide and the devs could have fixed it through negative reinforcement (penalize the overpopulated side) but such fixes would not work at all in this environment.

    If you put everyone in the same pool, eventually one side would get the rerollers and the other would wither and die. Every BG with unbalanced win/loss ratios (every battlegroup?) is this story being told on a 4 server scale. Rotating servers, however, would remove the "If I join this team, I'll always win!" factor, for the most part.

    I still think Guards will be more team oriented and Defiants better on an individual level due to psychological hooks in eachother's story and aesthetic but, in general, the reroll-to-win appeal that is currently plaguing every multi-faction game would be mitigated. There'd be no place to go for a guaranteed spot so players would gain incentive to stay at home and make the best of their premades as opposed to just jumping ship to the non-stupid side.

    edit: And, again, less Brocliff for me is always good news.
    Last edited by exLupo; 05-04-2011 at 01:06 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exLupo View Post
    Removing clusters altogether would make a huge version of what we're seeing now. The problem is fotm rerollers who go to the side that is winning. You see it in every faction based PvP game, regardless of genre. It was one of the biggest heartbreaks in PlanetSide and the devs could have fixed it through negative reinforcement (penalize the overpopulated side) but such fixes would not work at all in this environment.

    If you put everyone in the same pool, eventually one side would get the rerollers and the other would wither and die. Every BG with unbalanced win/loss ratios (every battlegroup?) is this story being told on a 4 server scale. Rotating servers, however, would remove the "If I join this team, I'll always win!" factor, for the most part.

    I still think Guards will be more team oriented and Defiants better on an individual level due to psychological hooks in eachother's story and aesthetic but, in general, the reroll-to-win appeal that is currently plaguing every multi-faction game would be mitigated. There'd be no place to go for a guaranteed spot so players would gain incentive to stay at home and make the best of their premades as opposed to just jumping ship to the non-stupid side.

    edit: And, again, less Brocliff for me is always good news.
    This is actually part of the reason I am opposed to opening up server transfers or faction transfer yet. Forcing people to re-roll greatly limits the "snowball" effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mako482 View Post
    I'm on Shade and have been pvping since UO, I just cannot stomach leveling up in open world pvp anymore, not to mention the juvenile crap that infest pvp servers nowadays. Guess I'm getting too old lol.

    But yes I do get your point, getting a premade together to run Warfronts on Shade would be a feat in itself, forget making it a good one lol. I am typically the only Shade player in any given Warfront on Guardian side.
    You pvped in UO and now you complain about getting ganked in world pvp and that your faction is terrible at warfronts?

    Perhaps you should do what you had to do in UO, meet some people, get a guild, play together, work on teamwork and coordination, and start winning. I find it hard to believe that there are no other players on your server who would pvp with you.

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    Boycott warfronts? **** no, BOYCOTT THE GAME. Games like this always wind up being the percieved "Bad Guys" and all the *******s who think it's cool to be bad (aka, Horde from WoW, Destruction from Warhammer) All are the ******* powergamers who do nothing but eat/sleep/breath MMOs. While the more casual players go Guardian.

    It happens in EVERY MMO, The pathetic losers who think they're good all join up together to make it easymode. Which is why All the "Good Guys" Alliance/Order/Guardians tend to have the better individual players, because those of us who recognize this pattern choose the challenging side.
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    Allow sever transfers to the less populated faction only.
    No faction changes pls. They would mess up the achievement system.

    In the case of this server cluster there are probably some Guardian guilds bored of no competition on their shard cluster that would move for faster queues and decent fights.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vashane View Post
    I would just like to add, I sure hope they don't add something to this game before they add something else that is totally unrelated to the thing they might add, because that would really tick me off or something if they added it first before the thing that should be added first even though its totally unrelated like, you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drealgrin View Post
    Boycott warfronts? **** no, BOYCOTT THE GAME. Games like this always wind up being the percieved "Bad Guys" and all the *******s who think it's cool to be bad (aka, Horde from WoW, Destruction from Warhammer) All are the ******* powergamers who do nothing but eat/sleep/breath MMOs. While the more casual players go Guardian.

    It happens in EVERY MMO, The pathetic losers who think they're good all join up together to make it easymode. Which is why All the "Good Guys" Alliance/Order/Guardians tend to have the better individual players, because those of us who recognize this pattern choose the challenging side.
    Soo.... How just this theory hold for all the clusters that the guardians are dominant?
    /sigh
    Quote Originally Posted by Vashane View Post
    I would just like to add, I sure hope they don't add something to this game before they add something else that is totally unrelated to the thing they might add, because that would really tick me off or something if they added it first before the thing that should be added first even though its totally unrelated like, you know?

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    Defiants are elite. Why would you put other players in a different faction on an ignore list? That is like all time whine. If you seriously change servers or quit the game because you arnt good and blame defiants in wfs. I feel sorry for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Mikeyrevile View Post
    Defiants are elite. Why would you put other players in a different faction on an ignore list? That is like all time whine. If you seriously change servers or quit the game because you arnt good and blame defiants in wfs. I feel sorry for you.
    The two or three defiants that spam WFs with macros deserve to be ignored. They are irritating. I have them ignored and they are my faction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vashane View Post
    I would just like to add, I sure hope they don't add something to this game before they add something else that is totally unrelated to the thing they might add, because that would really tick me off or something if they added it first before the thing that should be added first even though its totally unrelated like, you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJ Mikeyrevile View Post
    Defiants are elite... If you seriously change servers or quit the game because you arnt good and blame defiants in wfs. I feel sorry for you.
    This statement is just immature and ignorant. No one player no matter how good or bad controls his or her whole team server or faction. You can be the best player ever on an individual level but on the "wrong" side and still lose every game due to circumstances outside of your control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tvhatic View Post
    You pvped in UO and now you complain about getting ganked in world pvp and that your faction is terrible at warfronts?

    Perhaps you should do what you had to do in UO, meet some people, get a guild, play together, work on teamwork and coordination, and start winning. I find it hard to believe that there are no other players on your server who would pvp with you.
    Now where did you see me complaining about being ganked in world pvp? I'm not even on a pvp server. Assume much?

    Dude, a low rank premade vs. rank 6 premades is not the answer. Amazing that when you dont have the problem it is a non-issue. If you are not on our cluster then I don't care what you think.

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