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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulmage View Post
    Guys guys before any more misinformation is spread.

    This kill is not 100% legit. it been confirmed by a Trion sources that a 50% healing debuff was used on the adds to make them heal for half. It is very easy to see if you look at the vid/logs the adds are healing for 50k not 100k this makes the fight significantly easier.

    This is not indented or should even be possible and we are not being told how to exploit so cannot say what they are using.

    This has been 2 fights that were cheesed by GO posted and not reported we at SO are not the exploit police but ever since NQ we have gone thought others kill vids etc. I am unsure if GO know they are doing this but I suspect they are if it is working the way we think it does.

    As this information was only confirmed very late last night a lot of my guild are not aware.
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    and all the times on your kill its jumping up 50K i donlt see point stop desperately trying to flame us to draw attention away from your exploit, oh well im gona stop for day will have to see the new patch notes next week
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    So could this Trion source please step forward and tell us why my logs - as everybody elses in the raid - show something completely different?

    The full log containing the last 12 trys is available for download here, feel free to check it out.
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    If using healing debuffs and CC on adds is a exploit of the encounter, why was it not picked up in testing? Hmmm SO? tsk tsk. Who tests this stuff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talking The Hardest View Post
    If using healing debuffs and CC on adds is a exploit of the encounter, why was it not picked up in testing? Hmmm SO? tsk tsk. Who tests this stuff?
    think it was voodoo

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    Also, attacking the adds is not intended and CLEARLY exploits this encounter.
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    Probably doing anything is now an exploit. Especially dpsing her at all! She is intended to be healed to death!
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    I think if you are raiding and attack every single Encounter it's an exploit an not intended.
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    Grats on the kill.

    This thread gave me the mental image of pauli pulling out the red phone and crying hysterically to some raid dev, sobbing, "WHY AREN'T WE WINNING?!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evilleo View Post
    here is a person we can argue with. Not just pointless flaming.
    The problem is you calculate with a 100% uptime of the healdebuff. Since we apply it with tact’s this is not the case. Sometime we have 100k heals, sometime 90k heals from the adds.
    Than there is something wrong with healing debuffs on boss, unless you debuff adds.

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    21:12:27: ( 8 , T=P#R=R#380131956132942261 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Seatiin , Matriarch of Pestilence , 0 , 1202817253 , Blight , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence is afflicted by Seatiin's Blight.
    21:12:28: ( 5 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Matriarch of Pestilence , Matriarch of Pestilence , 100000 , 514633823 , Soul Siphon , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence's Soul Siphon heals Matriarch of Pestilence for 100000.
    21:12:28: ( 5 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Matriarch of Pestilence , Matriarch of Pestilence , 100000 , 514633823 , Soul Siphon , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence's Soul Siphon heals Matriarch of Pestilence for 100000. 
    21:12:29: ( 5 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Matriarch of Pestilence , Matriarch of Pestilence , 100000 , 514633823 , Soul Siphon , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence's Soul Siphon heals Matriarch of Pestilence for 100000. 
    21:12:35: ( 9 , T=P#R=R#380131956132942261 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Seatiin , Matriarch of Pestilence , 0 , 1202817253 , Blight , 0 ) Seatiin's Blight dissipates from Matriarch of Pestilence.
    Somehow I couldn't find who get debuffed on your log. Anyway gz
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    Quote Originally Posted by aileen View Post
    Than there is something wrong with healing debuffs on boss, unless you debuff adds.

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    21:12:27: ( 8 , T=P#R=R#380131956132942261 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Seatiin , Matriarch of Pestilence , 0 , 1202817253 , Blight , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence is afflicted by Seatiin's Blight.
    21:12:28: ( 5 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Matriarch of Pestilence , Matriarch of Pestilence , 100000 , 514633823 , Soul Siphon , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence's Soul Siphon heals Matriarch of Pestilence for 100000.
    21:12:28: ( 5 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Matriarch of Pestilence , Matriarch of Pestilence , 100000 , 514633823 , Soul Siphon , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence's Soul Siphon heals Matriarch of Pestilence for 100000. 
    21:12:29: ( 5 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Matriarch of Pestilence , Matriarch of Pestilence , 100000 , 514633823 , Soul Siphon , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence's Soul Siphon heals Matriarch of Pestilence for 100000. 
    21:12:35: ( 9 , T=P#R=R#380131956132942261 , T=N#R=O#9223372048129107266 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Seatiin , Matriarch of Pestilence , 0 , 1202817253 , Blight , 0 ) Seatiin's Blight dissipates from Matriarch of Pestilence.
    Somehow I couldn't find who get debuffed on your log. Anyway gz
    Could be possible that adds are debuffed aswell since a tactician is applying it. But i never checked.
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    Congratulations GO

    In hindsight, I guess you should have been mind readers to know what's intended and what's not regarding mechanics. Good thing we have the instance police QA'ing the fight after a kill.

    If anyone is to blame for un-intended mechanics, it should be whomever QA'd this boss and said it was ready for live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azunia View Post
    Could be possible that adds are debuffed aswell since a tactician is applying it. But i never checked.
    Yes, but only thing can proc VM on aoe is Necrotic Bolt, torrents doesn't proc it and only person used it was miicha like last 2minutes of fight it can be this.

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    20:53:09: ( 8 , T=P#R=R#380131956194629838 , T=N#R=O#9223372060695417290 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Inquii , Matriarch of Pestilence , 0 , -49795214 , Numbing Cold , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence is afflicted by Inquii's Numbing Cold.
    20:53:10: ( 5 , T=N#R=O#9223372060695417290 , T=N#R=O#9223372060695417290 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Matriarch of Pestilence , Matriarch of Pestilence , 100000 , 514633823 , Soul Siphon , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence's Soul Siphon heals Matriarch of Pestilence for 100000. 
    20:53:12: ( 5 , T=N#R=O#9223372060695417290 , T=N#R=O#9223372060695417290 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Matriarch of Pestilence , Matriarch of Pestilence , 100000 , 514633823 , Soul Siphon , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence's Soul Siphon heals Matriarch of Pestilence for 100000. 
    20:53:18: ( 5 , T=N#R=O#9223372060695417290 , T=N#R=O#9223372060695417290 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Matriarch of Pestilence , Matriarch of Pestilence , 100000 , 514633823 , Soul Siphon , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence's Soul Siphon heals Matriarch of Pestilence for 100000. 
    20:53:20: ( 5 , T=N#R=O#9223372060695417290 , T=N#R=O#9223372060695417290 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Matriarch of Pestilence , Matriarch of Pestilence , 100000 , 514633823 , Soul Siphon , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence's Soul Siphon heals Matriarch of Pestilence for 100000. 
    20:53:21: ( 5 , T=N#R=O#9223372060695417290 , T=N#R=O#9223372060695417290 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Matriarch of Pestilence , Matriarch of Pestilence , 100000 , 514633823 , Soul Siphon , 0 ) Matriarch of Pestilence's Soul Siphon heals Matriarch of Pestilence for 100000. 
    20:53:24: ( 9 , T=P#R=R#380131956194629838 , T=N#R=O#9223372060695417290 , T=X#R=X#0 , T=X#R=X#0 , Inquii , Matriarch of Pestilence , 0 , -49795214 , Numbing Cold , 0 ) Inquii's Numbing Cold dissipates from Matriarch of Pestilence.
    As you see cleric debuff also not working, only possibility is adds getting debuffed. Anyway again gz on kill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aileen View Post
    Than there is something wrong with healing debuffs on boss, unless you debuff adds. [...]
    We tried using Essence Link, which didnt work either. We used Vamp ammo (Micha and Kiunai), rogue heal debuff poison seems to work as well.

    Idk if you have to debuff the adds or the boss though, the Vamp ammo debuff doesnt show up in my logs, only the resulting heal does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qUiXui View Post
    We tried using Essence Link, which didnt work either. We used Vamp ammo (Micha and Kiunai), rogue heal debuff poison seems to work as well.

    Idk if you have to debuff the adds or the boss though, the Vamp ammo debuff doesnt show up in my logs, only the resulting heal does.
    I checked skill descriptions. There is small difference between Essence Link, Numbing Cold, Blight. They do reduce healing but don't siphon healing to debuffer like marksman or nightblade ones. Thats making it clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulmage View Post
    This kill is not 100% legit. it been confirmed by a Trion sources that a 50% healing debuff was used on the adds to make them heal for half.
    Are you sure your psychiatrist is a Trion source?

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