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    Default Dungeon Attitude - why people need that?

    I was told but i couldnt believe till i experienced by myself.

    People in expert dungeons are so rude .. that i'm wondering how those rude people can put a mask an exist in a friendly guild.

    75% of the occasion i have the following:
    • They dont even talk or respond to chat
    • You ask something simple like - can u interrupt, and you get no answer
    • They enrage quit - if your party fails twice in a boss
    • They kick you out at last boss - GUild Run Sorry!!!
    • They talk so rude about you - like they were born specialists of Rift
    • Fights among members when someone fails a tactic more than once
    • and the list continues ....

    I could easily make a list of each person - just cause i'm wondering - are they that rude in their guild runs too or is it cause they play with random people? I play with random people too - but i'm not rude or kicking them.

    Maybe we forgot that we all play for entairtainment and it's olnly 3 weeks after the new expansion. So it's normal to wipe on experts.

    Also i have a question. We had a healer and he decided to enrage quit. So we look for a new member.
    Suddently - the person quit 1 min ago - is our healer again!!!! (of course he quits again) but i was wondering no LFG Deserter debuff for 30 mins exist???

    If you expect geared people - do guild runs. Else excpect random people with random abilities and cope with them!

    Honestly this is strating to be frustrating and makes you enjoy NOT the game.
    Can we do anything about it ?

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    The deserter buff only applies if you rage quit in the nine minutes and below into the dungeon.

    On the other note I did indirectly insult a cleric once since he couldn't play purifier better. "they must have nerfed puris before sl". he quit right after and the dungeon fell apart.

    Other than that, most all the dungeons I've puged have been smooth or took an effort to finish, occasional everyone left so I might as well leave too but I explain if we should or not.

    The best thing I find though is to queue as an important role and do it properly.
    The 2nd best thing to do is to i found was to explain and be explained to. Most dungeons that I enter the first time and say that it's my first time are greeted with explanations, sometimes before I even ask. And the mechanics are easy enough to do so I'm pretty set on not screwing up dumbly.

    All in all, people are people and if you meet that one guy who you think is drinking crack and sniffing beer, never show frustration. Just a simple "this isn't gonna work out," or "we almost got it" is enough to motivate your group to keep going or leave with a brighter attitude.

    That or you can vote kick.

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    As someone who has raged out at fellow players in T2s before, I'll try to explain my viewpoint.

    When you do something so routinely as experts for months on end since there is limited endgame content, you start viewing it as a chore. Now back before SL you had to do these to get your daily completed, for many it was quite physically a chore. You come on in expecting a quick 10 minute run so you can finally go to sleep, and instead your top DPS as a cleric tank. Yes, there are various degrees of this but you understand where I'm coming from. Are you in the mood and do you have the patience to educate 4 new players to the game at this time? And hey, you might say, why are you such an ***, it doesn't take a lot of effort. Well take that effort and multiply it by the number of days since T2s (experts) became easy. That's a very long time.

    This is not an excuse for all actions, and now with SL out it shouldn't be as relevant because all 60 content is new content, but you have to understand that some players who put in days upon days into old content don't enjoy it nearly as much anymore.

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    Dont be bad? I only get mad if people cant/dont do their jobs. I have kicked pug tanks cuz they couldnt vrasp the idea of not standing in mechanics. I have raged on "support" who go dps instead of support. Healers who cant get over 1k heals the entire dungeon and dps who continually ignore interrupts/purges etc. First couple times, whatever, but if your continually bad you will be kicked and/or raged at.

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    I understand that many people think this is normal. Thats what dissapoints me ):

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simos View Post
    I was told but i couldnt believe till i experienced by myself.

    People in expert dungeons are so rude .. that i'm wondering how those rude people can put a mask an exist in a friendly guild.

    75% of the occasion i have the following:
    • They dont even talk or respond to chat
    • You ask something simple like - can u interrupt, and you get no answer
    • They enrage quit - if your party fails twice in a boss
    • They kick you out at last boss - GUild Run Sorry!!!
    • They talk so rude about you - like they were born specialists of Rift
    • Fights among members when someone fails a tactic more than once
    • and the list continues ....

    I could easily make a list of each person - just cause i'm wondering - are they that rude in their guild runs too or is it cause they play with random people? I play with random people too - but i'm not rude or kicking them.

    Maybe we forgot that we all play for entairtainment and it's olnly 3 weeks after the new expansion. So it's normal to wipe on experts.

    Also i have a question. We had a healer and he decided to enrage quit. So we look for a new member.
    Suddently - the person quit 1 min ago - is our healer again!!!! (of course he quits again) but i was wondering no LFG Deserter debuff for 30 mins exist???

    If you expect geared people - do guild runs. Else excpect random people with random abilities and cope with them!

    Honestly this is strating to be frustrating and makes you enjoy NOT the game.
    Can we do anything about it ?
    I understand where you are coming from Simos. The other day myself and 3 guild members did the first SL instance. Well the person was rude, we told them right off the bat that we were learning the game again just came back within the last month and never been in the instance. 1 wipe the person left.

    So I been working on getting more like minded people in my guild so I do not have to queue up again. I would rather run a instance where if people are learning people have patience to let the person learn. I am not talking about a person who has been in the instance for the 20th time, I am talking first or 2nd time. There is nothing anyone can do about the LFG tool and the people who act rude in them. This is where Guilds are the best way to go. The problem is finding the right guild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shdowflare View Post
    As someone who has raged out at fellow players in T2s before, I'll try to explain my viewpoint.

    When you do something so routinely as experts for months on end since there is limited endgame content, you start viewing it as a chore. Now back before SL you had to do these to get your daily completed, for many it was quite physically a chore. You come on in expecting a quick 10 minute run so you can finally go to sleep, and instead your top DPS as a cleric tank. Yes, there are various degrees of this but you understand where I'm coming from. Are you in the mood and do you have the patience to educate 4 new players to the game at this time? And hey, you might say, why are you such an ***, it doesn't take a lot of effort. Well take that effort and multiply it by the number of days since T2s (experts) became easy. That's a very long time.

    This is not an excuse for all actions, and now with SL out it shouldn't be as relevant because all 60 content is new content, but you have to understand that some players who put in days upon days into old content don't enjoy it nearly as much anymore.
    This is valid shadow and I will agree with you because I felt that way in WoW with the LFG tool. Some people never understood the fights. The problem is this, trying to make the game more accessible allows people not to go to their guilds first and spend time learning before they queue up. Now Leveling instances should just be get the run to break the cycle of questing. End Game content should be built and have awards for people who have Pre-made groups vs LFG Pugs
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    Until little Johnny 'pew pew' hero gets over geared and can once again run non stop through SL Experts as he has done for the past year in Rift 1.0 Experts, expect most PuGs to be painful and filled with nerd rage

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    The overall quality of pugs in instance finder seems to have seriously gone up over this past weekend. People are getting geared up and pretty much know the mechanics now.

    It was pretty painful there for the first 2 weeks though I agree.

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    From a tank's perspective, LFD is frustrating when you have people come in and they have never done a dungeon on normal before and are in mostly greens with a bunch of hit runes to be able to meet the minimum requirements.

    These people always have terrible DPS, and if they queued as healer, well hell. I won't let these people heal me because they are are not going to be able to keep up with the incoming damage.

    The biggest pet peeve, though, is not knowing the fights. All of the experts are pretty much the same as the normal dungeons except with an extra mechanic or two thrown at you here or there. If you run the normals you can breeze through these fights, get used to how they work, and also replace all those greens with normal blues pretty easily.

    Then, once you've done that, and you have gear from dungeons + infinity stones, go ahead and queue for an expert. Fights will be easier and you'll just need to get used to the one or two changes in them (and some fights are exactly the same as normal!)

    When I hit LFD and these people end up in my party I get extremely frustrated with them and nowadays, they are pretty much instant kick. I just don't want to deal with lazy people that can't be bothered to put in the time to get the gear and learn the fights.

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    Bottom line, people are just jerks sometimes. I queued in to an expert and got into a group with 3 people from the same guild. The other pug is the healer, I'm support, we both tell them it's our first time in the expert. I ask the healer if they need support and the tank answers for him and tells me to go DPS and the healer to use a specific healing soul. We made pretty quick work of the dungeon, but the whole time the 3 guild guys had a nasty attitude despite our speedy progress.

    Honestly, if they didn't have the guild majority in the group, I would have told the tank to **** off the moment that he told me what role to use and the healer what soul to use. Since they could have vote-kicked us instantly, the healer and I dealt with it by joking(in tells) about what ****s the people in that guild were being.

    The moral of the story is sometimes there's nothing you can do but turn your other cheek for continued abuse, and write down names of people that piss you off. I can tell you three names and one guild name that are on my ****-list.

    EDIT: Oh, and if you get a group from a guild that behaves poorly, you can try and find their guild web site and send their GM a note about it. Sadly, 80% of the GMs are just as big-headed as their subordinates and will send a nasty letter right back, but personally if I was a GM I would want to know if my guild members were giving the guild a bad name.
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    One of the reasons I mainly do guild runs Simos . Of those people I know what attitude I can expect, and as you know: that is a good attitude :P

    BUT to be fair: the nice people outwage the rude people :P When I do use the lfg(and again, dont do that a lot) I know what i can expect.
    and seriously, people who cross a line: /ignore. its simple
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvirnith View Post
    From a tank's perspective, LFD is frustrating when you have people come in and they have never done a dungeon on normal before and are in mostly greens with a bunch of hit runes to be able to meet the minimum requirements.

    These people always have terrible DPS, and if they queued as healer, well hell. I won't let these people heal me because they are are not going to be able to keep up with the incoming damage.

    The biggest pet peeve, though, is not knowing the fights. All of the experts are pretty much the same as the normal dungeons except with an extra mechanic or two thrown at you here or there. If you run the normals you can breeze through these fights, get used to how they work, and also replace all those greens with normal blues pretty easily.

    Then, once you've done that, and you have gear from dungeons + infinity stones, go ahead and queue for an expert. Fights will be easier and you'll just need to get used to the one or two changes in them (and some fights are exactly the same as normal!)

    When I hit LFD and these people end up in my party I get extremely frustrated with them and nowadays, they are pretty much instant kick. I just don't want to deal with lazy people that can't be bothered to put in the time to get the gear and learn the fights.
    Elvirnith I can understand where you are coming from. The problem is not just experts because people have the same you should know this fight in normal modes. Hell the one pug we had last week left the group after 1 wipe and he was told we were re-learning the game and just learning the new content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pork Star View Post
    Oh, and if you get a group from a guild that behaves poorly, you can try and find their guild web site and send their GM a note about it. Sadly, 80% of the GMs are just as big-headed as their subordinates and will send a nasty letter right back, but personally if I was a GM I would want to know if my guild members were giving the guild a bad name.
    I always want to know if my people are behaving poorly. Always. Don't get me wrong, I get frustrated as hell in t2's with people that do terrible numbers, don't ask for advice or strats if they don't know the fights, etc. But at the same time, there's a right way and wrong way to deal with underperforming people. Screaming at strangers is not the right way. Ask them to switch, ask them in tells if they know the mechanics. Basically correct/express disappointment privately, congratulate publicly. Some folks just aren't going to be up for the challenge of experts (quest greens, hit runes, etc)...but you can let em down easy and not rip them apart.

    Having a good guild image is important to me, and making sure there's proper conduct is important....just remember, respect goes both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shdowflare View Post
    As someone who has raged out at fellow players in T2s before, I'll try to explain my viewpoint.

    When you do something so routinely as experts for months on end since there is limited endgame content, you start viewing it as a chore. Now back before SL you had to do these to get your daily completed, for many it was quite physically a chore. You come on in expecting a quick 10 minute run so you can finally go to sleep, and instead your top DPS as a cleric tank. Yes, there are various degrees of this but you understand where I'm coming from. Are you in the mood and do you have the patience to educate 4 new players to the game at this time? And hey, you might say, why are you such an ***, it doesn't take a lot of effort. Well take that effort and multiply it by the number of days since T2s (experts) became easy. That's a very long time.

    This is not an excuse for all actions, and now with SL out it shouldn't be as relevant because all 60 content is new content, but you have to understand that some players who put in days upon days into old content don't enjoy it nearly as much anymore.
    I understand where you are coming from. However, does the fact that you don't like it give you a valid reason to spoil the pleasure of four others? Or to be rude to them?
    To me the answer on that question would be a big no.

    But what wonders me most is: if you do not like it, why are you doing it? There is no obligation to play, you know. If you did the stuff that brought you fun and it now is a chore, cancel your account and wait for new stuff to do?
    I sometimes (read: sometimes, not even always) consider my work a chore. But then, I get paid to do that. I would feel like an idiot if I paid somebody to do chores.

    I would say: It's a game, treat it like that.

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