Dungeon Attitude - why people need that?

[Pork Star]

I always want to know if my people are behaving poorly. Always. Don't get me wrong, I get frustrated as hell in t2's with people that do terrible numbers, don't ask for advice or strats if they don't know the fights, etc. But at the same time, there's a right way and wrong way to deal with underperforming people. Screaming at strangers is not the right way. Ask them to switch, ask them in tells if they know the mechanics. Basically correct/express disappointment privately, congratulate publicly. Some folks just aren't going to be up for the challenge of experts (quest greens, hit runes, etc)...but you can let em down easy and not rip them apart.

Having a good guild image is important to me, and making sure there's proper conduct is important....just remember, respect goes both ways.

I don't always succeed, but making the effort is a big step up, and not much to ask of anyone.

100% agree. The only problem I have with Black Company is that I always want to call them Bad Company. Because of the song, not 'cause they're bad.

When you enter the LFD queue, unless you queue with 5 people in the group already, you are accepting that you may have one or more players that are undergeared, clueless to mechanics, or just plain bad.

If you don't have time to teach them mechanics, or wipe a few times due to whatever issue, DON'T USE THE LFD QUEUE!!! The only thing that being a jerk about it does for you is ensure that people will like you less.

[Galibier]

To the OP. Why? Because user names and passwords in a pixelized world give people a sense of anonymity.

If the people who did this did so in a guild run or irl they would get kick from the guild, fired from their job or would find themselves without friends quite quickly. However when you are anonymous and there is no consequence for treating other people like crap many people will take the path of least resistance.

What is funny (or sad depending on your PoV) is that many of the people who rage about screw ups (usually with horrible english even for leet speak) rage quit etc. are actually the reason for the failure. Case in point last night. Guildie is in a PUG. Tank is raging as she gets pulled in 3 mobs in. 2 people rage quit She pulls in 2 guildies. Boss bugs out (yes a legit bug out). Tank rage quits. Invites 1 more guildie. Mob immediately dies. Hell it was the last mob in Boneforge where you do not even need a tank and the tank who was raging he was dying for lack of heals was a schmoo who insisted on trying to tank the last boss who you can't tank anyway and kept easting the green ground pooh. BUT somehow this tank was an uber cat and everyone else was the problem. /facepalm.

[wayne62682]

I understand that many people think this is normal. Thats what dissapoints me ):

The reason people act like dbags in dungeons is the same as every other game with LFD: There's no consequences.

Pre-LFD you could publicly name and shame the griefers, ninjas and scumbags and nobody would group with them; if they were particularly vile they might get gkicked and blacklisted from other guilds on the server. With LFD any antisocial moron can solo queue and do group content, and who cares if their whole server hates them?

[Raen Ryong]

As someone who plays exclusively tank in dungeons and queues with a pocket healer, I have the luxury of getting rid of people who are particularly obnoxious. So far though, haven't had to do it - been fairly positive experiences all around.

I don't get annoyed if people mess up once or twice. We have had people rage quit when they die to the same mechanic several times over or such but never had to kick anybody specifically for not being good enough yet.

Granted it's likely a different story since with good tank + healer, you're pretty much guaranteed a win as long as your DPS/potential supports play properly. That being said, my pet peeve so far is that people are not flexible enough. Please have a ranged spec available for DPS and if you can support, have one ready just in case! Makes things so much easier.

[Asteldian]

I can't be delaying with ******s in dungeons. I do guild runs till I am familiar with mechanics and after that I will go with a few Guildies and pug the rest, that way we outnumber whoever joins. We don't care if they are crap (in fact that brings us great source of amusement) or if they are learning, we just help them out and go through the dungeon.

Even pre SL during farm mode, I enjoyed it a lot more when it took much longer due to inexperienced players because it broke the tedium of the 10 minute run.

Having said that, I appreciate it if inexperienced players state that at the beginning, because what can be frustrating when I am dps instead of tank and find myself waiting impatiently for the slow pulls for seemingly no reason - I get agitated, then the tank explains his friends haven't been here so he is explaining things - that's cool, I now know why it's taking so darn long and can roll with it.

I miss the old days of server only lfd, it was always more fun grouping with people you would bump into again and also reduced the attitude problems people display

[GoldenArrow]

Random pugs are random.
And that's the fun of it!

If you want quick & super effective runs you do them with your guildies.

If you want to adventure a little you go solo pug. But yes you have to expect people to suck (meaning you need to put in more effort) and you might even need to explain tactics to people.

Personally I'd like to see higher gear requirements for experts. Having people run as "dps" or "support" with lv55 greens enchanted with hit and running around in tanking cores is just ridcilous.

I usually play bard or tactician in random pugs and I often need to pull a lot more responsibility over the group than I should. But I like the challenge, it makes me a better player and when dealing with "tough customers" also a better person.

I love the struggling pugs at the moment, was mindlessly bored with the no speak, no stop, aoe down, gogo type of pugs we had in the end of vanilla.

Remember, if all else fails.

Just leave.

[Simos]

Just to keep sharing my experience.

I was in a pug , 3 guildies from a guild from Brutmutter called something like Vitalis.

me and 1 dps were not guilded.

From the very first of the fight, they start offending the 2nd player for his low dps. Ok it was about 4k, but still thats if you start doing experts it's normal for first runs. I vote NO, but they are 3 and he is kicked.

Next minute, they tell me that they do mind that i decided to vote against them, and my kick comes too.

I'm a tank and i can get into queue dungeons in 1 minute or less, but if i was something else and waiting 1 hour for a queue and something like this happened to me - i'd be frustrated a lot!!! It's totally unfair and is ruining the RIFT experience that the game provides. by this only TRION Loses!!!


Another story :

3 guildies and me and one more random person.
THey kick the non-guildie - and after 1 second they decline LFG for a member. Instead i'm geting a whisper : please invite "that person" he is from our guild!!!

AMAZINGGGGG no words to express what i feel !!!

I heard many people saying : i'm not doing dungeons for some weeks ... this is not fun at all!
And if i was not a tank with instant queues - i'd definatelly follow the wait some weeks route!

[wayne62682]

It boils down to getting people with entitlement issues. They have no patience if people are new to the dungeon and think that everyone is a hardcore raider who spent hours in Beta learning all the mechanics. They'll roll Need on anything they can, upgrade or not, just because. They look at DPS meters and similar and will berate/kick people for perceived "low dps" even if that DPS is acceptable for the content. You get groups of 3 guildies that abuse and try to boss around everyone else because they feel that majority rule can do anything it wants. All because there's no consequence to their actions anymore.

[Darkjoy]

They talk so rude about you - like they were born specialists of Rift

This made me laugh.

[Dee Dee]

I meet more quality and mature people in pvp than pve pugs;
takes time for more people to learn the experts, for them to be some sort of safely pugged, it reminds me of old times

[Finden]

Just to keep sharing my experience.

I was in a pug , 3 guildies from a guild from Brutmutter called something like Vitalis.

me and 1 dps were not guilded.

From the very first of the fight, they start offending the 2nd player for his low dps. Ok it was about 4k, but still thats if you start doing experts it's normal for first runs. I vote NO, but they are 3 and he is kicked.

Next minute, they tell me that they do mind that i decided to vote against them, and my kick comes too.

I'm a tank and i can get into queue dungeons in 1 minute or less, but if i was something else and waiting 1 hour for a queue and something like this happened to me - i'd be frustrated a lot!!! It's totally unfair and is ruining the RIFT experience that the game provides. by this only TRION Loses!!!


Another story :

3 guildies and me and one more random person.
THey kick the non-guildie - and after 1 second they decline LFG for a member. Instead i'm geting a whisper : please invite "that person" he is from our guild!!!

AMAZINGGGGG no words to express what i feel !!!

I heard many people saying : i'm not doing dungeons for some weeks ... this is not fun at all!
And if i was not a tank with instant queues - i'd definatelly follow the wait some weeks route!

Simos,

With the Advent of LFG tool this is what we got. The best bet is to run with friends/guildmates. If you are an ET player check us out.

[Finden]

It boils down to getting people with entitlement issues. They have no patience if people are new to the dungeon and think that everyone is a hardcore raider who spent hours in Beta learning all the mechanics. They'll roll Need on anything they can, upgrade or not, just because. They look at DPS meters and similar and will berate/kick people for perceived "low dps" even if that DPS is acceptable for the content. You get groups of 3 guildies that abuse and try to boss around everyone else because they feel that majority rule can do anything it wants. All because there's no consequence to their actions anymore.

I will agree with most of what you said Wayne. There are some guilds that have respect for others, few do these days though. The other night myself and 2 guildies did Storm Breaker Protocol with 2 non guildies. These people helped us do the run and explained everything. No one gave anyone any trouble, the only drama we had to deal with was the last boss wouldnt spawn due to a bug. We also tried to recruit these players. My guild we are working on building a reputation of being an adult guild that will respect people, that does not mean if we are in an instance and someone wipes on a boss for the 10th time we wouldnt boot him.