World 2nd ID Conqueror

[Omerr]

Congratz guy !!

[Hadezz]

You people act like things like this are so uncommon in mmo's and high end raiding. Yet its happened in every mmo/expansion on a realativly frequent basis. Players/guilds will continue to find bug/exploits to circumvent fight mechanics and use them to their advantage to get ahead.

http://i.imgur.com/vebHl.png
http://i.imgur.com/Fg0uz.png

This is not a using a bug to circumvent fight mechanics. It is exploiting the game for an unfair advantage.

Its much different than ignoring lasers, or wall stacking Ituziel, and even reflecting on Rusila.

[Vera]

/10 chars?

[Mayi]

Also I know for a fact Tabula Rasa had people who used this bug because I talked to a cleric that applyed from your guild before they fixed it for an hour about it.

Some guildies heard about the bug and a couple tried to replicate it, one couldn't and the cleric you speak of said he could (I believe) but I don't think he raided ID with it. Once replicating it I think he went into HK right after to see if it worked.

Either way, the cleric is no longer with us and hasn't been for a long time. He had connection issues and I don't think he's been with us on a progression kill since the first couple of bosses.

[Comcastic]

http://i.imgur.com/vebHl.png
http://i.imgur.com/Fg0uz.png

This is not a using a bug to circumvent fight mechanics. It is exploiting the game for an unfair advantage.

Its much different than ignoring lasers, or wall stacking Ituziel, and even reflecting on Rusila.

How is it an unfair advantage when its one that was easily available to any person who played this game.

Also a sylvan greatblade wasn't used to tank. The bug replicated any proc effects on weapons swapped even when unequipped.

[Comcastic]

Some guildies heard about the bug and a couple tried to replicate it, one couldn't and the cleric you speak of said he could (I believe) but I don't think he raided ID with it. Once replicating it I think he went into HK right after to see if it worked.

Either way, the cleric is no longer with us and hasn't been for a long time. He had connection issues and I don't think he's been with us on a progression kill since the first couple of bosses.

This isn't exactly how I would describe as the nature of the conversation, he hinted at it being the reason he was looking to leave Tabula Rasa and join NQ (lol). But I'm not going to start another troll fest on the forums nor start drama with in another guild. If your leadership has specific questions you can contact Myrkel in game about it.

[Hadezz]

How is it an unfair advantage when its one that was easily available to any person who played this game.

Really? Just because your entire raid knew about it and partook in exploiting, does not mean that it is general knowledge throughout the game, or accepted as a standard of behavior.

Its mind-boggling how you do not see the difference between a guild having 1-2 "ninja" exploiters and another having Leadership that not only condones but promotes it for all its members.

Or the difference between avoiding a mechanic and having an unfair advantage from stacking items and procs.

This isn't exactly how I would describe as the nature of the conversation, he hinted at it being the reason he was looking to leave Tabula Rasa and join NQ (lol). But I'm not going to start another troll fest on the forums nor start drama with in another guild. If your leadership has specific questions you can contact Myrkel in game about it.

Nice to know that exploiting/cheating is a bonus, not a disadvantage, when applying to NQ.

[Noge]

How is it an unfair advantage when its one that was easily available to any person who played this game.

Also a sylvan greatblade wasn't used to tank. The bug replicated any proc effects on weapons swapped even when unequipped.

The question is not how or if your members did it. Its WHY did they do it and then claim a legit world first clear of ID? I imagine the original impossible enrage timer for Laethys had some influence in your members using the bug?

I doubt the exploit gave you much of an advantage on Maelforge since you handled the mechanics correctly and there is no real punishment for not having enough dps. But you must of really cheesed off you first laethys kill since the main challenge of Laethys on release and up until the release of conquest was the enrage timer, hence why a lot of guilds were some seconds into enrage on their first kills.

[mr3onion]

http://i.imgur.com/vebHl.png
http://i.imgur.com/Fg0uz.png

This is not a using a bug to circumvent fight mechanics. It is exploiting the game for an unfair advantage.

Its much different than ignoring lasers, or wall stacking Ituziel, and even reflecting on Rusila.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't you the mage in Addiction which accidently had a parse shown on these forums, with the exact same exploit? There was a parse well over 5k with obvious crystal-stacking and powerstone-stacking posted before conquest was out.

It might not be you though, if so please tell, but otherwise it's pretty weird to point against others...

[Vera]

Just for the record, this is an example of exactly how NOT to do PR damage control.

No Quarter is officially a joke. And a little bird tells me the devs are PISSED. Let us know how you guys fare in GW2.

Next time, just apologise for cheating the community, and if you get down on your knees and make it lovely, maybe people will forgive you.

In the meantime, take your trolling like a man.

[Hadezz]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't you the mage in Addiction which accidently had a parse shown on these forums, with the exact same exploit? There was a parse well over 5k with obvious crystal-stacking and powerstone-stacking posted before conquest was out.

It might not be you though, if so please tell, but otherwise it's pretty weird to point against others...

This was not me, Addiction has a strong policy against exploiting and he was removed immediately from the guild. I am not part of the Addiction leadership so i'll ask for you to refer any other questions regarding his removal to Vioarr or any other Officer.

[TheGrinnz]

Youre right, but then again i dont see an issue with anything we've done, or we wouldnt of done it in the first place. I was mearly pointing out to our friend in Tabula Rasa that they shouldnt be so quick to "chastise" us or try to use some self rightous banter in an attempt to "jab" us with innduendo and harsh words when individuals in their guild have used the same exploit.

You people act like things like this are so uncommon in mmo's and high end raiding. Yet its happened in every mmo/expansion on a realativly frequent basis. Players/guilds will continue to find bug/exploits to circumvent fight mechanics and use them to their advantage to get ahead.

HEY GUIZ EVERYONE ELSE DOES IT SO IT'S OK

/caps

[mo0trix]

So the outcome of this thread is that the actual first legit ID conq achievement is still very much up for grabs

[Vioarr]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't you the mage in Addiction which accidently had a parse shown on these forums, with the exact same exploit? There was a parse well over 5k with obvious crystal-stacking and powerstone-stacking posted before conquest was out.

It might not be you though, if so please tell, but otherwise it's pretty weird to point against others...

First of all, the parse I posted was his best on record at 5.1k, not the 6.2k NQ mages maxed out at in their parses. Secondly, he was removed from the guild once it was determined that he was exploiting. The only thing Addiction, more specifically me, is guilty of is blind loyalty. NQ not only has not removed any of these people for exploiting but their leadership condones the use of exploits. There is a significant difference between a guild having an exploiter, not know it, and acting according to their publicly posted rules which condemn exploiting when it is discovered.

If you think for a second that anyone in this community without an ulterior motive will agree with you that the situation with Addiction and Shaeyl is even remotely the same as having months of parses from NQ that show multiple people exploiting to do more DPS on average than Shaeyl's highest parse then you are delusional. It's ridiculous to argue that no one from Addiction can balk at rampant cheating over the course of several months in another guild because we caught one of our members for exploiting over a two week period and actually did something about it unlike the guild we balk at.

People can keep trying to make this about us but it's not going to stick.

[TheGrinnz]

You know the worst part about all this?

PFalcon was right