Raid Buff / Debuff Tracker

[sculti]

Clinging is in there

i wasnt talking about clinging

the 1 minute 7% magic debuff which shares archonts crumbling/bards aoe magic debuff/eles 7% magicdebuff

but you wont use those in a raid setting

[PaolOh]

i wasnt talking about clinging

the 1 minute 7% magic debuff which shares archonts crumbling/bards aoe magic debuff/eles 7% magicdebuff

but you wont use those in a raid setting

Spiritual deficiency from the Inquisitor soul, increase by 7% non physical damage on target

[MiO]

but you wont use those in a raid setting

Well then! I'm glad this is a raid only addon!

[Whaitiing]

Well then! I'm glad this is a raid only addon!

Its good we have that sculti guy in this thread with his 8/8 and vast knowledge of raid debuff usage.

[Whaitiing]

I can't get the addon to work atm.. When i write /bw track target i get an error

"Error: Incorrect function usage.
Parameters: "target"
Parameter types: string
Function documentation:
Converts unit IDs to unit specifiers and vice-versa.
unit = Inspect.Unit.Lookup(unit) -- unit <- unit
units = Inspect.Unit.Lookup(units) -- table <- table
Parameters:
unit: A single unit ID or unit specifier.
units: A table containing unit IDs and unit specifiers.
Return values:
unit: A unit ID or unit specifier, whichever is the opposite of the parameter given. May be nil.
units: A table of unit IDs and unit specifiers. The key is the input, the value is the result. Invalid inputs will not result in output entries.
In BuffWatch / Slash Handler, event Slash.bw
stack traceback:
[C]: in function 'Lookup'
BuffWatch/main.lua:442: in function 'ChangeTrackingSpecifier'
BuffWatch/main.lua:564: in function <BuffWatch/main.lua:563>
BuffWatch/main.lua:592: in function <BuffWatch/main.lua:587>

[Gardis]

wohooo!!!

awesome addon, now raiding equals flaming the archonts and bards I do realy enjoy this... hard times for the sculti archont guy and chuckystars uber-bard

try it and tell your friends...

[TheGrinnz]

If this shows which debuff in each group is up, you should add a couple. In "Physical Damage", Shaman/Vengeance of the Piercing Cold. Also in "Magic Damage", Inquis/Spiritual Deficiency and Elementalist/Exposure. Just because I have seen all of these used in a raid before, and this would be a quick way to find out who's pissing off the archon

Are you planning to add Bard motifs/warlord calls?

[chuckySTAR]

I can't get the addon to work atm.. When i write /bw track target i get an error

try /bw track player.target

[chuckySTAR]

If this shows which debuff in each group is up, you should add a couple. In "Physical Damage", Shaman/Vengeance of the Piercing Cold. Also in "Magic Damage", Inquis/Spiritual Deficiency and Elementalist/Exposure. Just because I have seen all of these used in a raid before, and this would be a quick way to find out who's pissing off the archon

Are you planning to add Bard motifs/warlord calls?

Spiritual Deficiency and other spells should not be used in raids.
This addon isn't intended to tell people how to play their role.

Bard motifs are cut down to Resonance otherwise the bar would be too large.
And why warlord calls since they overwrite bard motifs?

[Whaitiing]

Spiritual Deficiency and other spells should not be used in raids.
This addon isn't intended to tell people how to play their role.

Bard motifs are cut down to Resonance otherwise the bar would be too large.
And why warlord calls since they overwrite bard motifs?

Thanks, gonna try out the other tracking target..

Also, no disrespect at all, you made this addon. But who are you to say what debuff should be or not be used in raids? Spiritual Deficiency among other debuff gives the exact same gain in a raid, and wheter or not it is most optimal way to have the debuff on the target isn't really for an addon to decide. In my opinion the addon should track every debuff that performs the best, and for increased magic damage, spiritual defieciency is one of those.

An easy example would be a cleric applying Spiritual defiency, which the bard (or whoever is set to apply the magic debuff) notices. Now, a good bard will first of all notice it and then take back the control of the debuffing. A better bard will let Spiritual Deficiency be on the target for the full duration and focus on other things. With this addon this will be shown as if there was no debuff applied for the duration of Spiritual Deficiency, which kinda destroys the purpose of this addon.

The only thing I would be interested in when tracking the debuffs of the raid is if all debuffs of the highest level are applied on the target, regardless of who put them up. For that reason i think Spiritual Deficiency, Luminous Gaze and all the other not so common debuffs should be included. After all, it can't hurt. Good work so far though.

[chuckySTAR]

Thanks, gonna try out the other tracking target..

Also, no disrespect at all, you made this addon. But who are you to say what debuff should be or not be used in raids? Spiritual Deficiency among other debuff gives the exact same gain in a raid, and wheter or not it is most optimal way to have the debuff on the target isn't really for an addon to decide. In my opinion the addon should track every debuff that performs the best, and for increased magic damage, spiritual defieciency is one of those.

An easy example would be a cleric applying Spiritual defiency, which the bard (or whoever is set to apply the magic debuff) notices. Now, a good bard will first of all notice it and then take back the control of the debuffing. A better bard will let Spiritual Deficiency be on the target for the full duration and focus on other things. With this addon this will be shown as if there was no debuff applied for the duration of Spiritual Deficiency, which kinda destroys the purpose of this addon.

The only thing I would be interested in when tracking the debuffs of the raid is if all debuffs of the highest level are applied on the target, regardless of who put them up. For that reason i think Spiritual Deficiency, Luminous Gaze and all the other not so common debuffs should be included. After all, it can't hurt. Good work so far though.

Crumbling Resistance is better than Spiritual Deficiency.
So why would you annoy the archon?

Yes, i could implement every possible buff but which icon should i use?
The archon auras already consist of 5 icons and if every icon would then it's much more irritating.

I use ability ids for recognizing the buffs so it works in every language.
Another advantage is that every level of a spell has its own ability id so if someone would apply a lower leveled buff it would display as missing.

[cwharland]

Also, no disrespect at all, you made this addon. But who are you to say what debuff should be or not be used in ?

He is the author?

He's doing you a favor by including optimal debuffs only. Either way, this is an extremely useful mod...props sir.

[TheGrinnz]

Spiritual Deficiency and other spells should not be used in raids.
This addon isn't intended to tell people how to play their role.

Bard motifs are cut down to Resonance otherwise the bar would be too large.
And why warlord calls since they overwrite bard motifs?

Fair enough. My suggestions were just if you wanted the addon to help "debug" debuff issues outside of the Archon/Bard roles.

Motifs and calls would need to be included together (like Wild Growth/Illuminate/CoJ) because with a warlord tank and bard both doing their job properly, either could be up at any time.

@ Whaitiing

There is absolutely no reason to ever use spiritual deficiency (similarly, elementalist Exposure) in a raid. In a single-target fight or even on 2-3 targets the Archon will have their debuff applied for 5 minutes and there is plenty of time between raid buffs to refresh it within that timer. In an AoE situation the Bard's coda is AoE so is much more efficient.

[Whaitiing]

Fair enough. My suggestions were just if you wanted the addon to help "debug" debuff issues outside of the Archon/Bard roles.

Motifs and calls would need to be included together (like Wild Growth/Illuminate/CoJ) because with a warlord tank and bard both doing their job properly, either could be up at any time.

@ Whaitiing

There is absolutely no reason to ever use spiritual deficiency (similarly, elementalist Exposure) in a raid. In a single-target fight or even on 2-3 targets the Archon will have their debuff applied for 5 minutes and there is plenty of time between raid buffs to refresh it within that timer. In an AoE situation the Bard's coda is AoE so is much more efficient.

You don't get the point, and you don't have to lecture me about debuffing, please.
If you had a perfect raid setup then there would be no usage for an addon of this sort. Whatever though.

[TheGrinnz]

You don't get the point, and you don't have to lecture me about debuffing, please.
If you had a perfect raid setup then there would be no usage for an addon of this sort. Whatever though.

It seems to me the intended use is to remind people to refresh their buffs/debuffs (hey, it happens) and the most useful component is probably for the Bard or Archon to know exactly when Wild Growth drops to refresh their debuff.