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    Default ID Raid content released in upto 5 seperate gated chunks

    Instead of having 1 opening day for ID raid we're looking at 5 gated opening days maybe from the livestream info, with new bosses being released in upto 5 separate occasions.

    This means for ID raids the US gets 5 headstarts where their content opens a day earlier than EU, not just one headstart. This is counter-productive to competition (one of the stated aims of gating).

    The second gating confirmation of note from the livestream session is that raid content goes live after the patch completes this time, and patches currently are planned for usual early mornings. This is instead of going live after an event, which previously typically culminated around prime time. Opening the raid content around the typical raiding prime time hours was good for giving some equal footing to raiding guilds irrespective of the % amount of their members who have real life commitments (job, families etc). So again the fine detail of the timings of the new gating system in operation seems actually to run in opposition to it's stated aim of promoting competition with 3am? opening times.


    Why can't ID raid content, be released at prime time if it's separate releases for EU and US? Why not a global release at a compromise time that is EU evening and US afternoon rather than EU nearly a day later?

    In it's present state the fine print of the 5 bites gating system seems more counterproductive to competition than a boost.

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    Totally agree, am rather miffed that the US will get the patch tomorrow and yet we have to wait until Thursday... it's ok when it's minor patches n stuff, but with content the vast majority of players are itching to get at.. it's unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheepinator View Post
    Totally agree, am rather miffed that the US will get the patch tomorrow and yet we have to wait until Thursday... it's ok when it's minor patches n stuff, but with content the vast majority of players are itching to get at.. it's unacceptable.
    you guys know you got HK before US right?
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    This new voodoo recruit dont know about how bugged HK was and how US got a day ahead on 10000 hotfixes including a 6 lag for king to get patched

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    6-7 hour lead with bugged bosses that didnt get disabled and wasted our time vs rune king patched 6 days earlier for US

    Every other consecutive patch was US prefered

    Comparing to Patch/Gate releases where US will ALWAYS be prefered unless there will be any shape or form of intervention
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    Really remember UK getting into HK way before we were able to on US servers
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    I agree with the OP.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealKillian View Post
    you guys know you got HK before US right?
    Sure, if thats all US is getting with ID i dont mind, but the fact that there will be gating = every gate opening will be another advantage for the US, theres no competition anymore if every boss opened in ID will give US a day head start, not just the first day of ID release.
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    I'm sorry you guys get to be the one whining about the release time frame. No matter what time frame they picked someone would whine about how it put them at a disadvantage.

    I personally think they should release it at 8:15EST so I have time to log on, complete my seals, and immediately step in and raid. This is a horrible tragedy that it doesn't open based on my raid time. All other guilds have an advantage because of this mismatch. All progression is invalid.

    Furthermore, since some of you appear to think we're all dumb anyways, why do you care that some NA morons will think it's less of an accomplishment to kill a boss the first day it was launched on your end vs. the first day it was released on ours? It's not like NA players are on EU servers to take server firsts. Grow up and ignore people that haven't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Byona View Post
    I agree with the OP.


    Sure, if thats all US is getting with ID i dont mind, but the fact that there will be gating = every gate opening will be another advantage for the US, theres no competition anymore if every boss opened in ID will give US a day head start, not just the first day of ID release.
    You are making the assumptions that the gates will time favor the US. I don't think that will be the case. They are patching for US time so naturally we get the advantage there. But if they aren't patching and just removing a gate in real time (sorta how world event stages change) then I think you are making a large assumption with no facts to support it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khelendross View Post
    You are making the assumptions that the gates will time favor the US. I don't think that will be the case. They are patching for US time so naturally we get the advantage there. But if they aren't patching and just removing a gate in real time (sorta how world event stages change) then I think you are making a large assumption with no facts to support it.
    so, your saying we should just remain quiet but i however am of the opinion that when something is even a remote concern it should be prematurely addressed.
    discussion forums are there for discussions, op has a fair point.

    and as we have stated its not the first time you have had a considerable advantage excluding the opening dates on HK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TyrLith View Post
    so, your saying we should just remain quiet but i am of the opinion that when something even remotely appears to be skewed it should be prematurely adressed.
    No no, not saying that at all, its a valid concern. I'm just saying that there is no sense in raging about it when we have no information. Thread is fine right now but I can see this turning into a 50 page thread about how Trion hates the EU.

    And I was simply pointing out that we don't really know anything about how this will work. Cause alot of people I think are assuming this will be patched, and I don't think that will be the case. Need more info is the bottom line.

    As has been pointed out in regards to patches. While I agree it must suck for those in the EU. Its a game company in the US. Something has to give. And you cannot please everyone. So because its a game here in the USA we get a bit of a advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khelendross View Post
    You are making the assumptions that the gates will time favor the US. I don't think that will be the case. They are patching for US time so naturally we get the advantage there. But if they aren't patching and just removing a gate in real time (sorta how world event stages change) then I think you are making a large assumption with no facts to support it.
    If what you are saying is true and my assumption is wrong, then its all good. However it is an assumption because thats all we can do, guess, worry, stress, and so on. As Tyrlith said when something is wrong we should say so, and if our assumption is wrong then Trion should say so, waiting to see whats going to happen then give our feedback would be too late and the competition would be already ruined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byona View Post
    If what you are saying is true and my assumption is wrong, then its all good. However it is an assumption because thats all we can do, guess, worry, stress, and so on. As Tyrlith said when something is wrong we should say so, and if our assumption is wrong then Trion should say so, waiting to see whats going to happen then give our feedback would be too late and the competition would be already ruined.
    Yes, because "it's all good" if it releases at noon on Wednesday US time and prime time for EU. Totally fair and balanced. Like I said, someone's going to be left whining no matter what they do. My guess (and my recommendation) would be to just ignore the whining as a whole as they're probably just scrambling to get it implemented and not worried about an ego war between the top .01% of their player-base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayko View Post
    I'm sorry you guys get to be the one whining about the release time frame. No matter what time frame they picked someone would whine about how it put them at a disadvantage.

    I personally think they should release it at 8:15EST so I have time to log on, complete my seals, and immediately step in and raid. This is a horrible tragedy that it doesn't open based on my raid time. All other guilds have an advantage because of this mismatch. All progression is invalid.

    Furthermore, since some of you appear to think we're all dumb anyways, why do you care that some NA morons will think it's less of an accomplishment to kill a boss the first day it was launched on your end vs. the first day it was released on ours? It's not like NA players are on EU servers to take server firsts. Grow up and ignore people that haven't.

    Edit: Also, Killian is not a new Voodoo recruit.
    You dont seem to have a full grasp of the situation the patch date and time EU have been a bit odd for a while now.

    US: patch day is b4 the normal raid time on the reset day
    EU: 6am on the 2nd day of the reset

    Now if ID is released on the patch day not only will US get he patch ahead real time EU also gets one less raid day in ID. This is a big deal not only on "firsts" but on progress in general.

    The effects of having the patch in the morning allso make competition in EU not as good since the guilds that raid first will get ahead.

    It is not that we think you US guys are stupid but the majority of you that post of the forum seem unable to think logically.

    Sorry I do not know the name of every random person that posts on the forums i just go by what I see them post.

    there are 2 solutions to either give it to us both on standard local raid time on the same day OR give it us both at the same time in our late evening your raid time.

    we are whineing because im really surprised it got this far from our end this looks like a massive **** up or lack of planning from Adam and his team, and we are trying to communicate this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayko View Post
    I'm sorry you guys get to be the one whining about the release time frame. No matter what time frame they picked someone would whine about how it put them at a disadvantage.
    Disagree, something like 9pm EU time 2pm US time would be good for both sides. not sure of the exact time difference between us but you can see what im going for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jayko View Post
    I personally think they should release it at 8:15EST so I have time to log on, complete my seals, and immediately step in and raid. This is a horrible tragedy that it doesn't open based on my raid time. All other guilds have an advantage because of this mismatch. All progression is invalid.
    The imbalance thats currently happening is not even close to that. And you also cannot compare it to what happened with HK, due to the gating issue (if my assumption is valid).
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