Be careful of the words you speak. Keep them short and sweet! For you may never know, from day to day, which ones you will have to eat!
IMO your tank won, he or she did not have to deal with your party's mistakes anymore. It sounds like you kicked him for constructive criticism. Maybe your DPS was bad? And hey, you should not knock back the mobs. the tank is not the only person who stood to learn something here.
Also if you have such a hard time with random PuGs as displayed in your other posts FFS find a guild and make friends and queue with them. Please vote kick me if I ever appear in your random. If you are guardian my mage is Hephesta... this is an actual request.
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You know what's fun for me when I'm tanking?
Not having to chase random mobs all over the place because bads are punting them everywhere.
Also you lost because you're the one who thought it was a big enough deal to post it on forums, the tank obviously realised it was just a game and didn't go off whining about it.
Last weekend Whitefall was the escalation map and the guardians were losing constantly. It seriously gets old and people were doing so many things that were never going to help us win. At some point I started politely asking people to do specific things, like have certain rogues steal from the enemy base, and I kept commentary going in chat to keep people informed and aware since you don't always realize whats going on back at the base when you are in the middle of a fight. We won eight of the next ten matches doing this over and over again.
During one of the later matches I watched one of the enemy rogues heading to base. This rogue harassed us every match trying to steal from us and was really fast, so I was letting people know where he was and to plan for what was about to happen. One other would come help me stop him at base and others would be ready to get in his way if he tried to get away with our stone. One of the others on the team said I should stop whining in chat and if I cant kill one guy I shouldn't be in the warfront.
Whether I can kill one guy or not never mattered. Its a guarantee we lose if we don't communicate or work together, but certain individuals are so self absorbed in their own "godliness" that they have no concept of teamwork or treating people with respect.
What was his name, I might recruit him.
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Who said anything about dying? No one was dying?Originally Posted by Magipants http://forums.riftgame.com/images/bu...post-right.png
"You need to have situational awareness!" -> Essentially you were playing like a pack of blind nuns, as I've already stated. It's obvious that you and your party mates were consistently eating unnecessary mechanics and dying. Unfortunately, this is the hardest thing for people to manage. You can give someone proper gear, teach them how to run their DPS specs, but if they can't avoid mechanics, they're still bad. Interesting how looking at the screen and occasionally hitting WASD can be so difficult.
One player made a mistake and the tank got all over him about "situational awareness" it. Yes, we all know about situational awareness ...but it was a mistake. It happens. It wasn't real world military combat that might cost your buddy's life....it is a freaking computer game!
The "bump" was not a 30 meter push into an open area breaking up the stack...the NPC's were next to a wall...I inadvertently bumped them up against it. They were still stacked and all he had to do was turn a little to face them He didn't even have to move from his location. So unless you were there, you cant say.
Glad we kicked him out, all you "serious" no life players can have him. We had fun in the end, and have enjoyed many other dungeons since and will continue to kick people out who are "anal" control freaks about playing.
Last edited by Neo Omni; 03-30-2012 at 07:47 AM.
Crossfire strikes again!
fragging in Rift. He deserved it. All we could do was kick him out.
Last edited by Neo Omni; 03-30-2012 at 07:50 AM.
To be honest.. much like at a Childrens sports day, in this Scenario its not whether you win or lose, its the taking part that counts
To continue my spiel on avoiding mechanics, there are very few fights where non-tanks taking damage is unavoidable. Calyx the Ancient (AP), Caelia the Stormtouched and Gronik (CC), Atrophineus (RotF), Scarn (DD), Caduceus (CR), and Autoch/Mondrach (KB) are the bosses I can think of. Even so, Calyx, Caelia, and Caduceus are the only ones who I usually have to use my Flourish or Bloom on the party. However, their party damage is concentrated in a single spike every 20-30 seconds. Other than that, my trickle heals and Radiant Spores procs cover the damage taken, and then some.
My point is, don't stand in angry, red circles and play Simon Says like a good boy. Not difficult.
I'm completely on the side of OP here, and would just like to make an addition.
Everyone saying that OP is bad because he's not pushing everyone to the absolute max is trying too hard to be a contrarian. If your party is getting through a dungeon without struggling (as OP's party was) and having fun at the same time, criticizing the party is being a killjoy and a headache.
The only leg the tank had to stand on was in saying not to knock enemies around. As a dedicated tank myself, I can vouch for that being annoying, no matter how small the knockback is. Particularly if I'm doing single target attacks, because it means I have to chase enemies around.
But I would never tell someone they need to redo their DPS spec because it sucks in spite of the fact that we're getting through the content just fine. If you don't think that's jerk behavior, your social awareness is a far bigger issue than the party's situational awareness.
T2 experts are not just for you to zerg down to get your precious Greater Marks (which, if you're already zerging them in a pug you probably don't even need anymore).
Some players are a bit slower, or just not in the mood for a "GOGOGOGO"-WoWesque style hassle.
I would kick you myself if you started blabbering elitist crap at someone who's making a mistake.
Common sense should be enough to understand why but just in case it isn't I'll give you a tip:
- When the tank is taking a group of mobs with melee camp standing at the mobs' backs (1) melee are safe from being cleaved and (2) the tank can parry/block/deflect.
So basically when you knockback those mobs behind the tank you:
(a) force them to turn and hit tanks back increasing the dmg taken by the tank which can be dangerous if the tank or the healer is undergeared and a huge pack of adds has been pulled.
(b) force them face the melee camp and potentially cleave them to death which will generate the known circle of putting the blame on someone Tank's fault --> DPS' fault --> Healer's fault (rinse and repeat)
So, that's why the tank was trying to tell you.
So, now you know.
So, don't do this again...
p.s. the tank was not hysterical to give you hints about how to become a better player. maybe you just don't want to which is a whole different story..
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