A raider's case against PAs

[Anuhart]

Well the choice is taken away from some people as their guilds require it to be a core raider. People obviously want to continue raiding with the guilds they're comfortable with, so it's either leave guild for another, stop raiding... or just grind the PA and continue as normal.

Obviously PA is there for more than just raiding too (hello pvp tree?) so there's absolutely no reason NOT to grind it (apart from the fact it's mind numbingly boring).

Really the more and more I think about it the more and more I think it was a mistake for PA to give raw stats... a hole has been dug and continues to get deeper.

My casual guild leader requires that I kill 500 squirrels in Freemarch every day, not fire squirrels either.
I wan't to continue with this guild, but it's either leave the guild for another, stop being casual... or just grind out the squirrels as normal.

Remove squirrels from the game Trion, squirrels were a mistake, this is not because my RL is a mad buffoon.

[mo0trix]

My casual guild leader requires that I kill 500 squirrels in Freemarch every day, not fire squirrels either.
I wan't to continue with this guild, but it's either leave the guild for another, stop being casual... or just grind out the squirrels as normal.

Remove squirrels from the game Trion, squirrels were a mistake, this is not because my RL is a mad buffoon.

Ah yet again you come back with a completely idiotic comparison.

Bravo.

[Anuhart]

Ah yet again you come back with a completely idiotic comparison.

Bravo.

Fight fire with fire.

[HmmmNO]

Ah yet again you come back with a completely idiotic comparison.

Bravo.

Better don't feed the troll.

See what happens:

Fight fire with fire.

[mavfin87]

Well the choice is taken away from some people as their guilds require it to be a core raider. .

No, you have a choice to be with that guild, or not. No one's removing a choice from you at all.

[Anuhart]

Of course anybody who doesn't agree with you in a discussion, is a troll.


Case rested.

Judge: What's your answer to the prosecution.
Defense: He's a troll your worship.
Judge:

[XaviourEQ2]

Who cares? Having max PA isn't gona make or break any content.PA is a very good thing.It offers something to strive for after lvl50.I don't see a problem. Not everyone rolls alts either... so its defo a good thing.

[Yolen]

Better don't feed the troll.

See what happens:

I'd take troll before elitist buffoon any day.

[HmmmNO]

Of course anybody who doesn't agree with you in a discussion, is a troll.


Case rested.

Judge: What's your answer to the prosecution.
Defense: He's a troll your worship.
Judge:

Remind me the benefit of killing 500 squrriels? Making an analogy between a repetitive action that in the current state of the game doesn't provide anything with a repetitive action that will adds 20-25% of your stats makes total sense.

It's worst than your kids analogy.

The read between lines doesn't work when numbers says otherwise.

[Anuhart]

Off topic, but the torch flame in your SO sig, Sathoris, has an uncanny resemblance to Ashe, or more so, Tinder.

[Leif]

It won't even be funny to be honest, and possible scenarios will be:
- ID won't be tuned with PA in mind, high-end raiding guilds will steam through encounters extremly fast and QQ that content is horribly EASY.
- ID will be tuned with mid-high PA in mind, casual players will QQ that content is horribly HARD.

There are literally dozens upon dozens of ways to make content/encounters difficult independent of and not affected by stats and throughput numbers. MMO developers just haven't really been using them since the EQ days. Ie. The Performer.

[AquaSquirrel]

DPS always trivializes encounters. High PA (600+) adds about 10-20% to your stats at this point in balance and depending on class. I am honestly astounded that rogues will get more AP than mages get SP when it generates a greater output on a point for point basis.

I'm fine with PA affecting raiding and needing a moderate amount.

I'm fine with bosses being tuned around a higher level and slowly nerfed as long as manageable for all levels of players to a varying degree.

I think it's foolish that, however, they continue to introduce balance mechanics that have no foresight of balance such as Sicaron's aura (stack warriors early on), AP vs SP, Whetstone vs Critstones (before powerstones) etc etc. and the fixes are always months down the line.

What's the current best way to get PA? AoE grinding. What two classes have the highest advantage? Those with the highest armor and highest burst AoE specs. Given equal time farming etc etc, clerics and warriors would always come out ahead. Why so many gameplay elements got affected by loading so many stats into PA is rather overwhelming.

But, will I have a problem getting the bosses down? Not because of PA. But PA has introduced it's own set of problems that there really is no solution to.

[Unhurtable]

It won't even be funny to be honest, and possible scenarios will be:
- ID won't be tuned with PA in mind, high-end raiding guilds will steam through encounters extremly fast and QQ that content is horribly EASY.
- ID will be tuned with mid-high PA in mind, casual players will QQ that content is horribly HARD.

Because the following scenarios arent possible?
- ID wont be tuned with PA in mind, high-end raiding guilds will have massive problems with the bosses due to bugs/inconsistencies/overtuned content
- ID wont be tuned with PA in mind, high-end raiding guilds are faced with new challenges that takes a while to adapt/get used to, causing the best guilds to be busy for another month or two.

[merrier]

For years and years, I've seen raiders say that non-raiders want everything handed to them. Talk of not having time to raid was met with 'oh well, find the time or you don't deserve it' or 'you have just as much opportunity to reap the rewards as the raiders if only you'd put in the effort'.

Now, with PAs, folks who don't raid have a chance to improve their characters at level cap without *gasp* raiding if they put in the effort. Woohoo!

So, what is happening? Raiders are saying it should be less of an effort because 'hey, I'm a raider and benefits are granted outside of a raid, so that's stupid'.

*sniff, sniff* It smells like hypocrisy in here.

[Zyzyx]

Problem 1)

PA should give fluff stats only, like mount speed, swim speed, extra damage on Rift creatures, the teleports/summons/some weapon enchants as it already does..BUT ONLY FLUFF STUFF.

Instead it gives those and very important stats which is the main problem.

Problem 2)

Its based around grinding, which isnt bad, but the main problem is, it makes an already unfriendly alt game, even more unfriendly.

Wasting time on an alt, means hindering progression of your main character and in the end of your guild, simple is that.

Problem 3)

The XP gains arent done properly, its better playing solo, that being grouped for maximum experience..The changes to IA helped, but still certain classes grind faster solo, than IA, EI IA might change that, but shall see.

Overall the main problem with PA:

Gives way too important stats and makes alts INSANELY unfriendly.

XP gain should be ACCOUNT WISE, and the stats should be usable once, same with the gains.

Have 7 Gains of Marks per character, but only 7 gains (Plus the refresh per day obviously) of XP per account, same with any high XP quest.

As example, PvP daily, Favor/XP/Prestige:

Done on Main? :Favor/XP/Prestige

Done on alt:Favor/Prestige

Few weeks after when main doesnt need favor and prestige anymore?

Do on alt:Favor/XP/Prestige, allocate the PA stats where you want, on alt or main.

Same with PvE, my main does not need anything in the game apart from the Rogue neck from Akylios, (MM spec wise, when we might get more one hand drops i might need the sword also ;D) therefor any Plaque's or Marks, are useless.

When i leveled my alt and started playing him, PA was introduced, i simply abandoned the alt because any time wasted on the alt = PA gain on main because i dont log much apart from raids.

Potis so awesome. :swoon:

Anuhart stop posting please. You are making yourself look really ignorant/bad.