A raider's case against PAs

[Galdrin]

I don't get the OP. Are you saying that playing outside of a handful of pure-raiding hours shouldn't give your character a (albeit negligible) advantage?
Are you saying that new players that ding 50 should have the exact same progress as a 50 who's been around since some weeks after launch?

You raid purists have already gotten MMOs turned into the state they're in now, where it's all about endgame and leveling feels like you're rocket-propelled towards it. Heaven forbid they give us something to feel like we're actually advancing our character that we're playing at level 50 in a way other than the gear / raid progression that you've chosen.

In summary, you may complain that a new 50 isn't on even footing... I'd complain that new 50's -have- been on even footing (and except for a few stat points still are) with long-time 50's.

[Foxplay]

Just be glad your not staring at a exp lock 1034 PA like I have been for the past month

I assure you it stinks to be exp locked

[Galdrin]

Planar Attunement is the new Gearscore.

Always amuses me how creative raiders are at finding ways to NOT play with other people.

Absolutely not. I love when people post this on the forums.. makes me think they must not even play the game, they just come up with silly ideas and post them.

Please, show me a screencap of a PUG that requires any PA at all. Heck, find me any non-HK/RotP group that requires PA.

Until you do (heck, until the majority of cases fall under this description, let alone finding one at all), stop posting make-believe garbage.

[Duvain]

Please do not attack the OP.

While I do not agree with the OP's case, I do understand the difficulty PA presents to semi casual raiders.

I feel the current form of PA is good for many raiders and is very good for those who wish to feel they are achieving something on any character they are playing.

As I have stated numerous times, my RB warrior is vastly superior at earning PA compared to my mage BUT I do NOT want PA removed or made cross characters.

[Bendello]

Can someone tell me what the heck a PA is? Seriously people you dont need to abbreviate everything on the internets.

[merrier]

Can someone tell me what the heck a PA is? Seriously people you dont need to abbreviate everything on the internets.

Planar Attunement. After you reach level 50, you start leveling your 'PAs'. You can select things like more intelligence, spellpower, endurance, etc. There are also bonuses like being able to build up more charges for using your ascended powers.

[Laeris]

Absolutely not. I love when people post this on the forums.. makes me think they must not even play the game, they just come up with silly ideas and post them.

Please, show me a screencap of a PUG that requires any PA at all. Heck, find me any non-HK/RotP group that requires PA.

Until you do (heck, until the majority of cases fall under this description, let alone finding one at all), stop posting make-believe garbage.

I wouldn't join a guild that did require PA as part of their raiding criteria. If they're making people have X amount of points... just shows they're elitist snobs because plenty of guilds cleared HK before PA was ever released.

I don't do snobbery.

[Alex113]

I wouldn't join a guild that did require PA as part of their raiding criteria. If they're making people have X amount of points... just shows they're elitist snobs because plenty of guilds cleared HK before PA was ever released.

I don't do snobbery.

Pretty much all non casual guilds do nowdays. (and its in the several hundreds area, u no have 500pa? no? u baaad)

[Zyzyx]

Just be glad your not staring at a exp lock 1034 PA like I have been for the past month

I assure you it stinks to be exp locked

Must be nice to be a cleric or a warrior.

[mo0trix]

Once, I looked at the last page of a book I hadn't read yet. I never read the book.

Bad comparison. Especially since the reader of this book, has read it several (hundred?) times before.

Just because you have a lot of PA doesn't mean you're going to magically get good at the game, if you're bad, you're always going to be bad.

Yes, because people are unable to improve at anything. Practise makes perfect is a completely false statement?

Rogue gains the following with essentials from T1/T2:
60 Dex
60 Str
60 End
192 AP

Now these numbers will be inflated by T3 PA. Times this number by 20 and you have a maxed out raid team... is anyone really going to argue that those kind of numbers do NOT make a difference to progress? Really.....



PA is bad. The concept was good, the implementation wasn't so good. There's no easy fix for it now either as it's not something Trion can just remove without losing a lot of subs. Another 6 months down the line and there won't be any new blood in the game as it'll be known as the grindiest MMO in history... and that's taking into account all the korean MMOs out there too.

[Anuhart]

Now these numbers will be inflated by T3 PA. Times this number by 20 and you have a maxed out raid team... is anyone really going to argue that those kind of numbers do NOT make a difference to progress? Really.....

Ok, let's assume you are right. So what you are saying is that it will make the encounter easier.

Like when encounters are hard but then get slowly nerfed.
Much to the QQ of the very people that are championing they nerf it from the other end, from the get go, via allowing easier accrual of PA.

The easymode side of pretentious hardcore is showing clearly now.

What happened to "I worked for it" "L2P noob" "Casual baddie" etc etc ?

[mo0trix]

Ok, let's assume you are right. So what you are saying is that it will make the encounter easier.

Like when encounters are hard but then get slowly nerfed.
Much to the QQ of the very people that are championing they nerf it from the other end, from the get go, via allowing easier accrual of PA.

The easymode side of pretentious hardcore is showing clearly now.

What happened to "I worked for it" "L2P noob" "Casual baddie" etc etc ?

Yes, it will make the encounter easier... who for though?

Let me put another spin on this.

Guild A is a hardcore guild, their average member has 600 PA levels.
Guild B is has recently finished HK, average member has 120 PA levels.

Guild A is picked for PTS to test new raid. PA levels are completely ignored (meaning, they are left as is) and testing is done.. Guild A declare a fight is "perfectly tuned" as it's challenging yet in no way easy. Let's assume this fight is a DPS race fight too.

Developers are happy, content goes live.

Guild A facerolls this boss as they had another week/month to get more PA.
Guild B says hello to boss and finds themself 7-15k DPS short of the requirement.


Forum troll then says "PA doesn't matter" ... someone with a tiny bit of foresight knows it does.

[Anuhart]

How do you mean "PA levels are completely ignored" ?

Are you saying testers are testing with their live PA or wit 0 PA?

[mo0trix]

How do you mean "PA levels are completely ignored" ?

Are you saying testers are testing with their live PA or wit 0 PA?

Live PA.

100chars

[Anuhart]

And you would rather be in the group that facerolled the boss?

Or the group who has some challenging encounters and progression ahead of them?