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    Quote Originally Posted by Santent View Post
    If this is truly your main goal in "grouping" with people it is the saddest, most pathetic thing ive ever read. Do you whisper everyone on your friends when you log on? Do you tell them Goodnight and cant wait to see them tomorrow? Everyone who just wants to be jolly and play to have fun is cool with me... but stay the heck out of my groups.. cause i am NOT carrying your dead weight around to get you loot. End of Story.
    Please tell me your name/shard so i never ever get in a group with you, because god damm you come off like a complete *******...

    Personaly I dont really care one way or another if people want to run with dps parsers or not, i am good enough that i constant get tells from people asking me to heal their ***** through a dungeon What i do care about though, is moronic pricks like the OP, who think that because they dont have a life and can play Rift 24/7 and have mastered the 3 macro faceroll spamming, that they somehow are better than the rest of us...

    And no you are not cool because u behave like a immature jerk, u are just a jerk who needs to grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoffer View Post
    Please tell me your name/shard so i never ever get in a group with you, because god damm you come off like a complete *******...

    Personaly I dont really care one way or another if people want to run with dps parsers or not, i am good enough that i constant get tells from people asking me to heal their ***** through a dungeon What i do care about though, is moronic pricks like the OP, who think that because they dont have a life and can play Rift 24/7 and have mastered the 3 macro faceroll spamming, that they somehow are better than the rest of us...

    And no you are not cool because u behave like a immature jerk, u are just a jerk who needs to grow up.
    Well, your talking about one extreme here while I believe the op may not have been as much of a prick as you think. What I gathered is that he just wanted some unlazy dps. Pulling over 300 dps isn't hard, and pulling anything less is just pure laziness.

    I understand that some people don't like to min/max like I do, and thats fine, but I do expect the people who I group with to have a basic knowledge of their rotation that they should have learned while leveling... and to know how to move out of the bad stuff.

    Asking people to tryout on a test dummy beforehand seems pretty stupid, I can sorta understand the reasoning behind it (not wanting to get locked to an un-finishable instance), but meh.

    I also want to point out that you will go nowhere if your healer or tank were as bad some some of these DPSrs. People think they can get away with being lazy, watching tv, having abysmal gear, or not knowing their class because the healer and tank can carry them.

    Along the same lines, you may think hes a prick and elitist for acting the way he does, but it is HIS group, and if your talking about people's freedom to play a spec they want with gear they want... what about his freedom to deny them into his group because he wants to do the run his way?

    I've tried to make several points, and touch on a lot of things, but I feel its gotten pretty convoluted so im just gonna end it there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guaritor View Post
    Asking people to tryout on a test dummy beforehand seems pretty stupid, I can sorta understand the reasoning behind it (not wanting to get locked to an un-finishable instance), but meh.
    It's incredibly stupid, because the damage you do to a dummy doesn't reflect your actual DPS as there are several threads where people claim that some powers/items don't proc or crit correctly against the dummies but work fine on real badguys.

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    The test dummy is pretty stupid (and I can't help feeling a little trolled by it - noone really does that do they ???!?) but it is a fair indication of the level of frustration and annoyance that bad players cause.

    Just dont be a bad player and you will never come up against this kind of thing. Simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guaritor View Post
    Well, your talking about one extreme here while I believe the op may not have been as much of a prick as you think. What I gathered is that he just wanted some unlazy dps. Pulling over 300 dps isn't hard, and pulling anything less is just pure laziness.

    I understand that some people don't like to min/max like I do, and thats fine, but I do expect the people who I group with to have a basic knowledge of their rotation that they should have learned while leveling... and to know how to move out of the bad stuff.

    Asking people to tryout on a test dummy beforehand seems pretty stupid, I can sorta understand the reasoning behind it (not wanting to get locked to an un-finishable instance), but meh.

    I also want to point out that you will go nowhere if your healer or tank were as bad some some of these DPSrs. People think they can get away with being lazy, watching tv, having abysmal gear, or not knowing their class because the healer and tank can carry them.

    Along the same lines, you may think hes a prick and elitist for acting the way he does, but it is HIS group, and if your talking about people's freedom to play a spec they want with gear they want... what about his freedom to deny them into his group because he wants to do the run his way?

    I've tried to make several points, and touch on a lot of things, but I feel its gotten pretty convoluted so im just gonna end it there.
    I never said i didnt agree with the op, lazy *** dps are an annoyance, just hated the way he came across! And yes you manage to make the same points as the op, without coming across like a 15 year old boy who thinks he is king of rift because he can spam a macro

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    Look, I was top parser... I guess I'm the one that can pee the farthest!


    I really really really hate parsers. And it really stems from EQ1. Remember the time when parses wouldn't take in account any dot damage? And you had to hug the parser to take your damage into account. It was stupid, people would trip over themselves to make sure their damage would be taken into account, and it made playing a little bit too much like work.

    But fine. People parse. Wtfever!

    I had to end up working on my rotation and specs because for some odd reason (I'm still not sure what happened) my dps was down. I ended up respecc'ing and respecc'ing until I was back to the usual DPS from before. I went through all the different rotations and soul specs recommended and made up until I found something I liked to play, I could survive with and that would parse high enough. Yes, I downloaded a parser to make sure.

    I hate myself in a group when I'm parsing. I become the person who squeals with joy because I prove that despite my lack of a ***** I can pee the farthest! --Now that's talent.

    I have never thrown out anybody from a group. Even when they cannot tank/heal/dps. Although I do have conversations in tells with them to try to figure out what's going on.

    If i wanted to just zerg through a game, I wouldn't play an MMO. Actually, when I'm playing another game, that's usually what I do. I just go through them. But, to me, an MMO is about exploring, meeting new people, enjoying the game, having fun.

    That being said: This message has been panda approved!

    PS. Pene (I can freaking say it in other languages) is an anatomical term and should not be treated as a curse word.
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    I'm actually pretty new to 50 dungeons, so I was wondering what single target dps I should be pulling as a dps Cleric?

    I usually heal in T1s, but there are times where the only open pug spot is a dps. I don't want to enter a dungeon if my dps is absolutely terrible, because that would mean that I just hold up 4 other people who are (potentially) doing their job just fine.

    I'm not support(bard or w/e) so that means I better be able to pull dps if I'm going in as dps.

    So can anyone tell me the dps range I should be doing as a relatively new Druid/Shammy Cleric dps?

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    I just encountered this two days ago myself. It was disapointing to say the least, as my lag issues weren't helping the situation. But everyone was critizised for lack of DPS. I can understand that it will slow things down, but there was no indication starting off that this was a speed run (that's the term we used in COH when we intended to do a run in a very short time). I was hoping to get some advice from teh guy about improvements, but the lag was keeping me from doing so. But it all seemed to stem from only certain builds were going to work. I was running a 48 ele, 14 pyro, 4 warlock build that took me though some rough runs and rifts. But I can say that this being my 3rd total expert run attempt, having actually completed 2 runs in expert, that it was the first time my DPS was in question.

    But being freshly into experts with a 203 focus (cause I read that recommended somewhere in my research), and pretty much soloing till that point, that it was never an issue. When you tend to advance fast emough solo, you build for survival. When you then get suddenly thrust into grouping and get shot down suddenly, it's a tad depressing. Info on optimizing is vague at best unless you're a warrior as that seems to be all I can find so far.

    I am not rich, can't afford 20+pp for each peice of gear on the AH for upgrades, and don't have weeks to solo grind to do so. But how else can you improve your DPS outside of running the god DPS build (whatever that may be) and having the best gear you can by off the farmers without doing these runs?

    Perfection is a step in the wrong direction for a game this young. It is something that has made many a game too hard core for the masses. For a game only two months out of the gate, this should not be happening yet. Is it already starting to feel like people don't want to associate with the casual players? Statements like that complaining about lack of ability this soon may well hurt the game as it's just starting up. If you only want the best of the best, state that right up front instead of gunning people down after you invite them. People will appreciate your honesty.

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    i dont think he is being an elitist. 500 dps is not asking for much. he is not asking for people to do the impossible, he is just asking for people to be competent. how many of you would like to spend then next four hours in a t1 dungeon just wiping repeatedly because your tank is incompetent? its a lot easier to spot incompetency with healers and tanks because the party will just die. its harder to measure competency with dps, because you wont know if you suck unless you have a parser or if your party wipes due to a boss with a dps checlk (ex. eliam in t2, if you dont kill the minions in time, he kills your entire party).

    asking for 700dps single target is elitism. asking for 500 dps single target is just asking for you to know your head from your *****, most builds can attain that dps even if a third of your points are misspent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teraman View Post
    I just encountered this two days ago myself. It was disapointing to say the least, as my lag issues weren't helping the situation. But everyone was critizised for lack of DPS. I can understand that it will slow things down, but there was no indication starting off that this was a speed run (that's the term we used in COH when we intended to do a run in a very short time). I was hoping to get some advice from teh guy about improvements, but the lag was keeping me from doing so. But it all seemed to stem from only certain builds were going to work. I was running a 48 ele, 14 pyro, 4 warlock build that took me though some rough runs and rifts. But I can say that this being my 3rd total expert run attempt, having actually completed 2 runs in expert, that it was the first time my DPS was in question.

    But being freshly into experts with a 203 focus (cause I read that recommended somewhere in my research), and pretty much soloing till that point, that it was never an issue. When you tend to advance fast emough solo, you build for survival. When you then get suddenly thrust into grouping and get shot down suddenly, it's a tad depressing. Info on optimizing is vague at best unless you're a warrior as that seems to be all I can find so far.

    I am not rich, can't afford 20+pp for each peice of gear on the AH for upgrades, and don't have weeks to solo grind to do so. But how else can you improve your DPS outside of running the god DPS build (whatever that may be) and having the best gear you can by off the farmers without doing these runs?

    Perfection is a step in the wrong direction for a game this young. It is something that has made many a game too hard core for the masses. For a game only two months out of the gate, this should not be happening yet. Is it already starting to feel like people don't want to associate with the casual players? Statements like that complaining about lack of ability this soon may well hurt the game as it's just starting up. If you only want the best of the best, state that right up front instead of gunning people down after you invite them. People will appreciate your honesty.
    its really not a gear problem. whats wrong with this game is if you are a dps you have no way of knowing if you suck or not unless you have a parser and you test builds to see which ones do decent damage. you dont even need to use a cookie cutter build, just test your own builds to see if its good or not. Its surprising, I know, but not all builds are guaranteed to work. How would you like it if the warrior in your party specced 2/3 of his souls to be tank souls and then joined your party as DPS? or if the rogue in your party was specced out as dps/bard and decided that he wanted to tank? That should be OK as long as he tries his best right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slpnshot View Post
    I'm actually pretty new to 50 dungeons, so I was wondering what single target dps I should be pulling as a dps Cleric?

    I usually heal in T1s, but there are times where the only open pug spot is a dps. I don't want to enter a dungeon if my dps is absolutely terrible, because that would mean that I just hold up 4 other people who are (potentially) doing their job just fine.

    I'm not support(bard or w/e) so that means I better be able to pull dps if I'm going in as dps.

    So can anyone tell me the dps range I should be doing as a relatively new Druid/Shammy Cleric dps?
    for any class, if you can do at least 500dps single target then people really should not complain unless they are jerks.

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    ran with a DPSer (in a T2) doing 80 dps average the other night. ranger using a boar as a pet. i sent him a tell, asking " hey, i dont usually notice rangers using boars in dungeons. does it have a helpful trick? never really tried ranger" and got an earful about how its the best pet for a group and people need to learn to play before they question it O.o;.

    riftstalker tank did 140 on the same mobs. the rest of the group were friends so he was easily carry-able, but i dont get how some people think that being polite and trying to help them fixes all problems. xRD didnt have any real DPS races, xCC would have been fun..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santent View Post
    As of last night, i have officially completed every tier 1 and 2 instance. The group always consists of me (Cleric heals) and my brother (warrior damage mitigation specialist). We have pugged every DPS / Support class for every instance we have done. So far in all these encounters i have had only 3 or 4 players reach over 500 dps single target. These same players were also the only ones to get over 1000+ dps in trash packs. 90% of these pugs cant get over 350 dps EVER..... I am simply beginning to get very numb and quite rude because of it. I feel like an old man griping and screaming at pugs after i look at the parser the first few trash packs into an instance. It goes something like this
    "(character name) ... dude your doing 300 dps on trash packs.... i dont want to be in for 2 hours.. pick it up or im replacing you" .

    They usually respond with something like "wow... you d***, ill just leave if your going to be rude" . I think my server just might be full of ******s. I have tried making them come to the target dummy and "prove" they can do over 500 dps, but no one ever actually comes to do it, they either leave the group or just wont reply to me when i ask them to do it. Do people suck this bad? i mean really? Im only in 4 tier 2 purples and i can pull over 600 dps singlet target.

    So, whats with the crappy dps mayne?

    /rant off
    I just got a rogue to 50, I was worried about the amount of dps I was putting out, I'm in quest blues and some weapons and armor I got off the AH, nothing is epic.

    I get around 600 single target and 1400-1900 on trash packs. I started running a parser in instances, I've just been doing cc / ap normal for rep and to replace some quest items, sometimes other level 50's join as dps, I standardly do 2* the dps of most of them who are rocking full epics, sometimes even 3*, sometimes the dps gets out damaged by the tank or chloro and that's not me complaining about chloro dps being high.. it's not.

    This game needs damage meters just to get the scrubs who think they're contributing something to think about.

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