As a bard you use hit, not focusOriginally Posted by Vylker
As a bard you use hit, not focus
You missed the point where I said chloro mage. Im pretty sure you dont like having your heals resisted
Yes, DPSers needs nothing. If you want to carry them, of course. I can put out more DPS with my chloro that any DPS with 0 hit/focus.
If your tank overgears the instance, your healer can go in greens. Or naked. If your healer overgears the instance, your tank can go with -10 toughness (assuming he has enough hp to avoid being oneshotted, and not even that if the healer has shields)
Point? A tank without toughness can wipe a party. A chloro healer without focus can wipe a party. A DPS with no hit/focus will not wipe a party (assuming you dont want him to CC anything, ofc). But he will add the same DPS as the tank. Why bother bringing him? Just bring another tank/healer. Your group will kill mobs at the same stuff and be a lot safer
So a Rogue doesnt need to have second gear to play as a Bard right?
Figured I would add a question to this post as well as it relates.
We have been taking a group into experts the last 2 weeks. I am the tank with 79 toughness 8300 hp 320 block and parry. Both DPS are parsing over 500 and we have 0 trouble on trash.
Bosses however are giving us hell. We have most of IT on farm except for Three Kings and we tried FC and the Matron encounter shredded us, no way I could tank all three.
Is there a good site for strats etc? I think we have the proper gear just not the information.
bards use the same gear as any other rogue, unless your min/maxing then maybe more crit then some other specs.
Three kings should be pretty simple fight. Just interrupt the healer with faceslam or something and kill him first (not a requirement though). It's a tank fight, when you do your job well and keep aggro from all kings it's pretty easy.
You must be doing something wrong. I tank these on my Cleric with under 8kHP, and only 26 Toughness. And this is with a Chloro main healing with bard back-up on bosses. Our group has changed recently, but we did clear all of FC, but the final boss, the other night (I need more toughness).
The Matron fight isn't that bad, it is the same as it was before (normal version), basically. Get on main boss, then onto the ghost, then onto the zombie with chains, then back to the ghost, then back to the main boss. Zombie with chains has a conal AoE, so turn it. Ghost lady has an AoE silence. Matron has a AoE that hits everyone, so keep people topped off.
The IT kings are the same, 3 mobs to kill. But you need to focus and bring down a target together. The 2H warrior hits like a truck, the healer heals, and the mage is pretty weak. We have done it in 3 different orders so far, without much trouble. If you have some interrupts, it is probably easier leaving the healer for last (as when it tries to heal, it is doing no damage).
If you are having trouble on bosses, bring a back up healer. It helps, A LOT. And many of these bosses you basically need 2 healers, especially if you are just getting into them. Especially fights with adds or large AoE's. There are not many DPS checks until T2 from what I have seen, so surviving >> damage, it will just take longer (but it's faster than dying, rezing and trying again).
Last edited by Vidrak; 03-22-2011 at 05:57 AM.
This has been our strat basically. When something gets too hard, get 2 main healers. Usually that solves the problem (if people are aware of what to do and what not to do, no amount of healers will save you if you stand in the wrong position)
Well yea, usually, on fights we haven't done, we roll 2 healers. This allows you some wiggle room so we can figure out what is happening in the fight.This has been our strat basically. When something gets too hard, get 2 main healers. Usually that solves the problem (if people are aware of what to do and what not to do, no amount of healers will save you if you stand in the wrong position
But you have to look at what happened and fix it. If DPS are dying in an AoE, they need to pay attention. Some things are avoidable, some are not, that is how it works.
Can you link where you've read this? My spreadsheets suggest AP outweighs crit heavily.
"This server is going to be Gnarly, man.""We have enough cloth and wood to pitch a tent."
Well looking over standard builds etc most of us have a very standard build except the healer , they are 51 points deep in purifier and that doesn't seem the most standard atm. Might have the cleric tweak their build a bit and see if that helps.
Focus
Was there a consensus on the required focus?
always need ether bard or chloro even as a 51 point purifier I couldnt solo heal experts. Probably because Trion had the genius idea of making our group heals cost 12% of our mana pool to cast. Yea like im gonna cast a 350 mana spell when I already have to pot on every boss fight....sorry DPS if you stand in AoE ur just gonna die.
Not sure there has been a consensus. One person is suggesting you need 100 Hit(Focus) in T1 to never miss, others are saying you don't need the Hit(Focus) until T2. Sounds like the only way to check is to test it in T1 with less than 100 and see if you miss.
Also, this is why you bring a bard; 750 mana 'potion' every 2 minutes.
"This server is going to be Gnarly, man.""We have enough cloth and wood to pitch a tent."
I ran t2 last night with 106 hit rating and do not recall seeing any miss messages.
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