I want to be a VK

[Sebb]

So are the benefits of warlord.
But all some people care about is simple HPS versus DPS generic mitigation. IE the maths.

Why go paladin off tank when you can go two warlords.

Just because its' harder to coordinate?

Paladin is the premier off tank because of preservation, and 1/3rd of the warlord's benefits are overwritten by an archon. The other 2/3rds are situational. Most mechanics are set up on short timers to prevent this from being a /solve function.

There are some nice uses for 32 warlord. I won't deny that. Grug was one. Darktide another, and Rusila is another one if you're just helping in P2. I however do not want to think of what you'd get hit for by TC. That's a lot of added healer stress.

[Sergeantkeys]

I'd like to see Pact conversion +surge become a massive 35m AOE threat to compete with DOL.
It would also be nice to see the mans drains affect energy in power like every other mans drain

This

Everywhere, all over my face.

[Yezze]

Paladin is the premier off tank because of preservation, and 1/3rd of the warlord's benefits are overwritten by an archon. The other 2/3rds are situational. Most mechanics are set up on short timers to prevent this from being a /solve function.

There are some nice uses for 32 warlord. I won't deny that. Grug was one. Darktide another, and Rusila is another one if you're just helping in P2. I however do not want to think of what you'd get hit for by TC. That's a lot of added healer stress.

That 32 Warlord ability, can it be used on top of the Archon Flaring Power buff?

[Bloodbourne]

That 32 Warlord ability, can it be used on top of the Archon Flaring Power buff?

no .

[TheGrinnz]

That 32 Warlord ability, can it be used on top of the Archon Flaring Power buff?

The 5 min debuff that prevents you from getting Flaring Power again specifically mentions a Warlord skill, probably the one you're talking about

[Flashmemory]

I would love to see VK used more often. It is more engaging than reaver. I have been using reaver type builds since the entirety of rift. The whole VK soul really needs to be taken a look at from both a pvp and pve perspective when considering synergy with other dps and tank souls.

[InuNoTaishou]

VK's skills have always leaned towards the PVP side of the game because of the utilities it provides. I would like to see most of the VK's abilities to be viable in PVE open world and raid contents. Mana draining a boss with no energy/power/mana bar is.. WTH? Really useless soul in raiding and possibly need to be re-vamped imho.

[ewarwoo]

Really useless soul in raiding and possibly need to be re-vamped imho.

A 20/12/28 + whatever WL / Pal /VK build is great for ad tanking. Suprisingly less squishy than you'd think and insane aggro. Wouldn't use it as main tank on a boss fight but unless overgeared (my main rarely uses anything else).

[InuNoTaishou]

mmmmm yeah, no good for tanking in ID :P Ituziel hit hard as it is.

[ewarwoo]

Its hardly useless in raiding but. It's just useless in the top tier of raiding.

[Bloodbourne]

I would love to see VK used more often. It is more engaging than reaver. I have been using reaver type builds since the entirety of rift. The whole VK soul really needs to be taken a look at from both a pvp and pve perspective when considering synergy with other dps and tank souls.

Please don't mess with my VK PvP spec... kthx

[Sebb]

Please don't mess with my VK PvP spec... kthx

That's the thing I worry about. You can't buff VK without the risk of making it too powerful in pvp. But generally nobody goes past 38 in vk for pvp.

Thoughts I had were:
-Ravenous Strength: Now increases block and parry by ~0.5% per pact, some factor increase after 32.
-Ravenous Defense: Reduces incoming damage by 0.3% per pact and some factor increase after 32.
-Catalyze: becomes an infestation for magic damage
-Surge: 35m aoe threat generator on par with DOL.
-Accord of Emptiness: Increases maximum number of pacts by 5.
-Making all the mana drain abilities also work some way for energy and power like every other mana drain in the game.

[Bloodbourne]

That's the thing I worry about. You can't buff VK without the risk of making it too powerful in pvp. But generally nobody goes past 38 in vk for pvp.

Thoughts I had were:
-Ravenous Strength: Now increases block and parry by ~0.5% per pact, some factor increase after 32.
-Ravenous Defense: Reduces incoming damage by 0.3% per pact and some factor increase after 32.
-Catalyze: becomes an infestation for magic damage
-Surge: 35m aoe threat generator on par with DOL.
-Accord of Emptiness: Increases maximum number of pacts by 5.
-Making all the mana drain abilities also work some way for energy and power like every other mana drain in the game.

No.
Already does that for Physical dmg.
Catalyze just needs it's 5% dmg reduction buff back.
Would have to be moved DEEP into VK root.
Would also have to lose its pact generating ability with changes to Surge.
Meh, wouldn't matter either way.

[Sebb]

No.
Already does that for Physical dmg.
Catalyze just needs it's 5% dmg reduction buff back.
Would have to be moved DEEP into VK root.
Would also have to lose its pact generating ability with changes to Surge.
Meh, wouldn't matter either way.

• Not surprised you feel this way. Sorry but +str bonus doesn't do a hell of a lot much for any tank compared to what I suggested. I understand it's a small nerf for pvp.
• The scaling bonus is new - as is the damage reduction for all abilities not just physical. By new, I mean that's how it was back on PTS in 1.6.
• That's one way to go. It's micro CD vs macro CD discussion. The requirement for mana user needs to be removed.
• You talking about surge or AoE? I could see AoE losing the pact generating passive. That's makes sense. Forces more usage of PC.
• It wouldn't matter much for pvp, but it would for pve now that they FINALLY added mana drain as a mechanic.

[Bloodbourne]

• Not surprised you feel this way. Sorry but +str bonus doesn't do a hell of a lot much for any tank compared to what I suggested. I understand it's a small nerf for pvp.
• The scaling bonus is new - as is the damage reduction for all abilities not just physical. By new, I mean that's how it was back on PTS in 1.6.
• That's one way to go. It's micro CD vs macro CD discussion. The requirement for mana user needs to be removed.
• You talking about surge or AoE? I could see AoE losing the pact generating passive. That's makes sense. Forces more usage of PC.
• It wouldn't matter much for pvp, but it would for pve now that they FINALLY added mana drain as a mechanic.

If surge was a 35m passive threat generator... and you had Accord pulsing pacts every 3 seconds.... ON TOP of you're normal pact gains (which in my PvP spec, I get to 10 pacts in 2 globals on the 3 dummies... one in PvP with 5+ people around me) That'd be a little extreme. On caster bosses you could literally go afk after the pull. 51vk would be just absurd threat... far over the top.