AP Scaling and other DPS changes to the Warrior going up to PTS

[Sebb]

Alternate FB with the AoE ones. You'll clip 1 second from FB unfortunately, but don't really see another viable option.

Take FB to 8 seconds instead?

[Gargoyles]

Atrius thanks for the communication and quick work. Getting those out to the test server and getting everything on even ground will help a lot with finding balance.

The change to fiery burst was extremely nice. And I love the duration, people will actually have to use a different finisher while this falls off. We still have a problem with deep champion as well as deep beastmaster trees.

And the cooldown abilities you mentioned cornered beast, rift storm, etc.... are still way under powered and provide no real benefit to use them.

[InuNoTaishou]

2) Fiery Burst has been changed to have a 10 second duration. This should make the damage more reasonable though it will be more difficult to use in a Macro.

3) Rift Storm has been changed to more closely match Cornered Beast and Flurry. It lasts 2.5 seconds and hits every 0.5 seconds. This should make it more desireable.
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Will these skills, in addition to other skills that have cooldowns, and duration, be normalized with warrior's gcd? (Similar to how mages have their DoT durations normalized to 8/16 seconds). This may reduce the amount of RNG we have in rotations.


And Rift Storm, Cornered Beast, and Flurry still deals insufficient damage to be used over other finishers (i.e. Bursts) .

[Sebb]

@Steelwind:

Best parse I've been able to get so far with 51 champ is 2625 with Grug axe. There's no set rotation though, you have to judge your FB ticks and your WM procs. Always do FB off a 3rd AP, hitting FB immediately to try and carry over WM proc. Use 3 pt finishers every other time (BF/PB).

Still too weak though. PB needs to be hitting about 10% harder.

[paper]

Also, we are aware that the BM needs some love. Expect an update there in the next couple days as well.

While I'd love to see beastmaster love, it is fairly competitive with rogue and mage builds full buffed considering that it provides a 7% damage bonus for the raid. An equal geared mage is parsing just under 4400 with the same buffs as my on BM. I'd hate to see it get buffed and then nerfed again, especially considering it has a fairly decent spec at the moment(at least in my eyes).

http://i.imgur.com/bdetX.png is self buffed.

http://imgur.com/acHQC is raid buffed.

Now if you are referring to deep beast master, there are several problems with it, namely being:

1)Diversion strike cooldown is far to long, should probably be 10 seconds.

2) Using Fight as One and Primal rage cause you to lose up time on your finisher bleeds, which with the recent changes provide the bulk of BM damage. I'd rather see Primal Rage as just a 1 min cooldown ogcd ability that isn't a finisher. Fight as One I'm not sure what to do with to be honest, I don't like the ability. its too similar to strike like iron and its stuck in a built that doesn't have weapon master procs to help fit in within a proper rotation.

[Kiika]

The change to fb is really gonna hurt in pvp where other finishers are useless in certain builds

[Rage09]

I'm not looking forward to the FB change. As people have said all that had to be changed was the dmg to reflect it being oGCD. Making it last 10s doesn't synergise with enhanced burst at all.

Also the whole multiplicative vs additive is starting to get confusing. Enhanced burst has been multiplicative for a year and you haven't noticed it?
Why not just change the dmg modifiers to be more simple, dmg from spec/talents is additive, which is then multiplied by %dmg from abilities/items (which would be addative, 50%sli+hk35%=85%). Not sure how buffs come in.
That way all you have to balance is the skills and items/crystals.

Oh and since your looking into BM, the HK crystal is not effecting Strike to Main.

[Edgeseed]

I don't think I like the FB change neither. What is wrong that you can just spam FB as finisher? If the dmg is too high you could reduce the FB dmg. There are 8sec CD for SB, 15sec CD for EB, and now 10sec duration for FB. This is really going to mess up the RB finisher. Also not a good idea for PVP since some of the builds are heavy depend on it.

Another thing with the FB changes, it's gonna be tough to keep up the stacks for Golem Inductor. DW is different story since it proc most often due to more continual attack dmg, but for 2-hander build, you need to spam FB to have GI proc more often.

[Mechar]

The Enhanced Burst change is pretty disappointing from the perspective that it used to affect abilities that weren't exclusively RB abilities, but now it won't. Less abilities that play well with other souls is unfortunate because it removes potential options for interesting builds.

[Kiika]

I don't think I like the FB change neither. What is wrong that you can just spam FB as finisher? If the dmg is too high you could reduce the FB dmg. There are 8sec CD for SB, 15sec CD for EB, and now 10sec duration for FB. This is really going to mess up the RB finisher. Also not a good idea for PVP since some of the builds are heavy depend on it.

Another thing with the FB changes, it's gonna be tough to keep up the stacks for Golem Inductor. DW is different story since it proc most often due to more continual attack dmg, but for 2-hander build, you need to spam FB to have GI proc more often.

People keep complaing that rotations are too easy and the change to fb is to try and make rotations more complicated. Hope you guys are happy with such a silly change, i feel bad for the warriors who dont browse the forums they are in for a rude awakening when this goes live.

[Blackblade]

Fiery Burst change was much needed. It's difficult to balance an Off-GCD finisher vs an On-GCD finisher. To do so you either have to

1. Nerf the Off-GCD finisher
2. OR Buff the On-GCD finisher

To a certain extent, On-GCD finishers were buffed due to AP scaling but still was inferior to FB. However buffing On-GCD finishers by too much would have severe implications on PvP. Hence the nerf to Off-GCD FB instead.

Now whether it was a change to the duration of FB or the damage to FB is debatable. They have taken to former as their choice for now. Let's see how it works out.

[Edgeseed]

People keep complaing that rotations are too easy and the change to fb is to try and make rotations more complicated. Hope you guys are happy with such a silly change, i feel bad for the warriors who dont browse the forums they are in for a rude awakening when this goes live.

If people want difficult rotation, bring back RW spec and make this spec do the highest dmg with perfect rotation. This will reward those who is skillful and perform better in raid. TBH, not all warriors are as skillful as those from top end guild. Majority of warrior still can't even get perfect rotation with RW spec in heavy mechanic fights, HK for example.

As we all know that Rift is not a melee friendly game. Few simple rotation builds for those who does not prefer overcomplicated rotation may best suit them. We all talking about viable options/builds. While we make all builds with complicated rotations, where is the "viable" that we been asked for?

I do agree with you that many ppl don't come to the forum and read post. They have no idea about all those changes. Atleast I know some warrior in my guild do not come to the forum. Why are we making things overcomplicated that many new warriors maybe suffer with these changes?

Oh btw, the best rogue melee dps build with rotation of 1112. We will continue to have fun beating by rogue in melee dps because of the difficult rotation.

[Pyrodude78]

Deep champ still needs some love!, i would like to see some sort of bleed mechanic with Finishers.

[Edgeseed]

People keep complaing that rotations are too easy and the change to fb is to try and make rotations more complicated. Hope you guys are happy with such a silly change, i feel bad for the warriors who dont browse the forums they are in for a rude awakening when this goes live.

Hope trion will consider to bring back the RW spec

[Flashmemory]

The enhance burst change may ruin three pvp specs that are being widely used today. The sweeping strike, ragestorm and blood fever LW spread spec. Can't really test it out but just from what I can see it seems like RB will take a big hit with the changes and also many other specs that count on the burst application.