AP Scaling and other DPS changes to the Warrior going up to PTS

[Angryweasel]

Because champ doesn't have Deadly Strikes and Destroyer's, right?

Because of the damage being adjective and because we have so many +dmg% passives They are not nearly as effective as the other passives, especially paras passive is a lot better.

[Fafa]

Because of the damage being adjective and because we have so many +dmg% passives They are not nearly as effective as the other passives, especially paras passive is a lot better.

And your point is? Champs have passives, champs have single target abilities that are affected by those passives. Champs have a very marginal aoe advantage in their spec that other souls will most likely utilize to make up for their lack of aoe abilities. Why should champ suck at st dps when a set bonus is whats making them top aoe?

[Angryweasel]

And your point is? Champs have passives, champs have single target abilities that are affected by those passives. Champs have a very marginal aoe advantage in their spec that other souls will most likely utilize to make up for their lack of aoe abilities. Why should champ suck at st dps when a set bonus is whats making them top aoe?

Champ has (some) but still not as much as the other trees. Even forgot to mention the 51 rb passive.

Champ = 2 passives after 23(30)pts spend while RB/para both has 4

[mattya802]

Yay, more AoE vs ST arguments!

Let me know when Atrius posts again.

[Sebb]

You forget passives.

RB: EB,ES, ET
Para: DG, FoW, SLI, WoTW

ES is a tiny dps increase for 2h. EB + ET + ES = DS/DB. Not really sure what your point is there.

FOW? You mean like the gimpy version of slayers? SLI? As in the weaker version of Destroyers? Not sure if you're intentionally being ignorant.

Every build has approximately the same % dmg bonus, most builds have very similar AP scaling as well, on the order of 1.25 dps per AP. The only difference is that champion has inherent lack of synergy with any soul now with the DB change.


This quote hits it on the head:

TBH you guys are being fooled by HK set bonuses more than anything. Champs HK set bonuses are aoe oriented and that's really what puts them over the top for aoe. Whats to say RB won't have that on ID set bonuses? I for one don't expect to see the same bonuses on ID gear. It has very little to do with the actual specs.

[Fafa]

Champ has (some) but still not as much as the other trees. Even forgot to mention the 51 rb passive.

Champ = 2 passives after 23(30)pts spend while RB/para both has 4

Doesn't answer the question. Unless you are saying that champs should suck at st because they only have 2 passives. That would be a flawed point of view considering that most of the passives for other specs you mentioned were revamped to bring dual wielding up to par with 2handers. Also, you should hop on the test server and take another look at that RB 51pter.

[Angryweasel]

ES is a tiny dps increase for 2h. EB + ET + ES = DS/DB. Not really sure what your point is there.

FOW? You mean like the gimpy version of slayers? SLI? As in the weaker version of Destroyers? Not sure if you're intentionally being ignorant.

Every build has approximately the same % dmg bonus, most builds have very similar AP scaling as well, on the order of 1.25 dps per AP. The only difference is that champion has inherent lack of synergy with any soul now with the DB change.


This quote hits it on the head:

My point is that there is almost nothing extra for ST past 23 pts in champ all the passives I listed is higher in the tree. (except EB/ET that was a mistake listing that)

Gimpy versions or not para can have both at the same time while champ trade the extra crit dmg for more phys dmg with destroyers.

Don't get me wrong some of them are not so powerful right now but the abilities and what they do lean more towards ST dps with RB/Para compare that to high tree champ which almost exclusively is geared for AoE

[PFalcon]

Changes have been made to the ability "mob rage". Now does 12 additional damage to Atrius for every 4 pages of the AP scaling topic.

[Phillthy]

pretty sure he has 100% block up for the duration of the thread.

is that 12 damage modified by AP?

[Gargoyles]

Changes have been made to the ability "mob rage". Now does 12 additional damage to Atrius for every 4 pages of the AP scaling topic.

This is the first post of yours that I have seen thought out and close in numbers.

Atrius has a lot to fix in less than 2 weeks to avoid mob rage to have multiplicative damage. Beast sucks (suppose to have been fixed in 1.7). Icy burst is the new fiery burst and only finisher. Gcd attacks still blow. The riot invoking on the forums I believe is a direct result of patches on the test server with no changes to warriors to test. Starting to get the 1.7 launch syndrome. No one wants that repeated.

For ae damage paragon has TtT an ae charge!!!!! Just kidding sucks with dw and still does not crit.

[Angryweasel]

When looking at my BM parses i noticed that Strike to Maim actually lost to Storm Blade

TYPE ENCDPS
Storm Blade 92.68
Strike to Maim 90.03

Strike to maim should be buffed compared to that you get storm blade for free while you need to use 5 pts for strike to maim and it's higher in the tree.

[Angryweasel]

[Edit]

Edit:

Yesterday I made a post about a BM spec(Post) and also notified in the same thread that there was a bug with "flesh rip" Today that bug is fixed on the PTS. So they do read this thread actively even though Atrius hasn't replied for some time.

So keep posting feedback in a constructive manner if we wish to make an impact to our warrior class.

[DeadMaus]

If they read this then, buff champ pls

[Olvi]

Icy Burst now has a 4 second CD. Guess we're supposed to use a GDC finishers between Icy Bursts.

[PFalcon]

Icy Burst now has a 4 second CD. Guess we're supposed to use OGDC finishers between Icy Bursts.

Higher RB should be ok. Earth burst is doin more on PTS than icy+scald, not sure why people were loading Icy first anyway.