AP Scaling and other DPS changes to the Warrior going up to PTS

[batou079]

Appreciate the hard work, I haven't had much time to parse and likely won't till Sunday, but looks solid. If the BM changes were reversed it would look like dw and two hand would both have an equivalent spec. Also did we ever figure out if 41/23/2(rb/ch/rv) would still beat out 38/28 like it used to? That is the only thing I would like to test for myself.

Also is pretty hilarious that 51 champ still needs to use fb and icy burst despite the destroyer's nerf.

Indeed, nice parsing work Neterim! Credit to all the others who also provided some parsing comparisons as well!! WOW our community is badass, within the last 12 hours i had 4-5 pages to catch up on! HAHA.

So basically, 51 champ.15 RB is still 200 behind the 44/20/2 DW build.
And GCD finishers are still rubbish compared to the RB burst finishers, DESPITE nerfing Destroyers to not enhance RB bursts.

I am happy that so many builds are relatively close in DPS... i am still a bit saddened that every single build relies on RB finishers, while GCD finishers of 3 other souls even with their respective crystals fall short. I think this should now be our main focus since Atrius has achieved relative balance between builds now. My hat goes off to you good sir! Now, before we go live, if you tweak GCD finishers just a bit to push them up to the same effectiveness as burst finishers from RB, we will be in a damn GOOD spot for balance. If you have to, scale back burst finishers even more... but bring GCD finishers up.

cheers

[Sixpax]

I don't see what's wrong with spreading the AoE finishers out across the 4 DPS souls at about 20 points into the tree, so if you want high AoE DPS, you have to do a hybrid... especially since it doesn't look like they are going to designate one of the Warrior souls as AoE only like the other callings (which have craptacular ST DPS).

[Sebb]

Indeed, nice parsing work Neterim! Credit to all the others who also provided some parsing comparisons as well!! WOW our community is badass, within the last 12 hours i had 4-5 pages to catch up on! HAHA.

So basically, 51 champ.15 RB is still 200 behind the 44/20/2 DW build.
And GCD finishers are still rubbish compared to the RB burst finishers, DESPITE nerfing Destroyers to not enhance RB bursts.

I am happy that so many builds are relatively close in DPS... i am still a bit saddened that every single build relies on RB finishers, while GCD finishers of 3 other souls even with their respective crystals fall short. I think this should now be our main focus since Atrius has achieved relative balance between builds now. My hat goes off to you good sir! Now, before we go live, if you tweak GCD finishers just a bit to push them up to the same effectiveness as burst finishers from RB, we will be in a damn GOOD spot for balance. If you have to, scale back burst finishers even more... but bring GCD finishers up.

cheers

Well even the GCD finishers were to be worth it, one thing we lack is a variety of finishers. Champ has punishing blow.... Paragon at least has reaping harvest and shifting blades. BM forces you to use an aoe finishing just to keep another bleed on target.

[Ekso]

I will go test this when I can, aka right now.

so 41/23/2, 51/15 champ bm and 28/23/15 para. gimme a hour or so

I am skeptical to 28/23/15 and 38/28 imo 41/23/2 best RB spec

[Sebb]

I am skeptical to 28/23/15 and 38/28 imo 41/23/2 best RB spec

It should provide higher AP contribution per GCD is why.

[Ekso]

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Ekso, go 0 point in BM and do this : 3 pts FB, 2 pts IB and then 3 pts IB, rinse and repeat. If you try it and get higher, I'd be highly interested in knowing if it's better. Kinda sad that even with destroyer's bearing change...elemental off-gcd STILL is better.

51/15 champRB with 3 AP IB: http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/409/1111rhh.png

51/15 champRB with 2AP IB: http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/5075/1111kn.png

It should provide higher AP contribution per GCD is why.

And need to use much weaker builders (2H RW) ;)

[Neterim]

28/23/15 RB para champ with RB crystal with 2840 dps

rotation : FS/SS With RW, weaving in Frenzied, using 3 point FB and 3x 3 point IB.

51/15/0 champ bm rb with BM crystal with 2870 DPS

Rotation : This spec is so rewarding. Disruptive > Tearing > SLashing > Debi > Punishing > Fierce > Fierce > Punishing > repeat. I had a blast playing it. ALso, macro in frenzied and Flesh rip. Pet dps is 20. in raid, he will surely die and prevent you from using flesh tip, so this won't be viable in a case where aoe damage is done.

41/23/2 RB champ reaver with RB crystal with 2860 DPS
EDIT : Forgot to use Rift strike. Will reparse when possible. it SHOULD beat 43/23 version for sure.
Rotation : Keep Blood fever up, spam SoulS/Frost/SS macro. Use 3 pts FB and 2x 2 pts IB. The parse should be slightly higher due to minor mistake I did.

I am skeptical to my reaver parse...I will reparse 38/28 champ RB just to be sure because on paper...it seems the reaver one should be better. Also, I added these parses to my own previous post (viva edit rights!)

[Ekso]

And where Rift Strike btw?) SoulS doesn't justify gcd imho

RB specs 2H

51 RB 15 Champ: faceroll rotation, medium AoE, elemental dmg (ignore armor in pvp): http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/111/111fpl.png

41 RB 23 Champ 2 Reaver: faceroll rotation, good AoE, elemental dmg (ignore armor in pvp): http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/6307/111sn.png

51 RB Avatar of Rift now gimp.. and as useless in raids 44 root ability.. high points 2H RB specs now useless, maximum 38-41 points in RB soul

[Lopsided]

Has anyone tried 51Champ/10Para/5BM yet? RW should hit harder than crystalled Fierce, you get Way of the River, and have higher passive % modifier than 51Champ/15BM. BM crystal ST, Champ crystal AoE.

Disruptive -> Tearing
Fierce -> RW -> PB
Fierce -> RW -> PB

Frenzied on finishers.

[Neterim]

I'd need someone to parse 43/23 rb champ and 41/23/2 rb champ reaver to compare with me. I get 200 dps higher with the first one.

[Neterim]

Has anyone tried 51Champ/10Para/5BM yet? RW should hit harder than crystalled Fierce, you get Way of the River, and have higher passive % modifier than 51Champ/15BM. BM crystal ST, Champ crystal AoE.

Disruptive -> Tearing
Fierce -> RW -> PB
Fierce -> RW -> PB

Frenzied on finishers.

I didn't try it, but you'd lose damage bonus from BM and why would RW hit harder ? RW dmg = Power Strike damage.

[Sebb]

I'd need someone to parse 43/23 rb champ and 41/23/2 rb champ reaver to compare with me. I get 200 dps higher with the first one.

Your 41/23/2 didn't include rift strike, which should cover at least half that gap.

[Ekso]

Has anyone tried 51Champ/10Para/5BM yet? RW should hit harder than crystalled Fierce, you get Way of the River, and have higher passive % modifier than 51Champ/15BM. BM crystal ST, Champ crystal AoE.

Disruptive -> Tearing
Fierce -> RW -> PB
Fierce -> RW -> PB

Frenzied on finishers.

It is senseless, we have 1 AP from Destroyers Bearing and 2H RW <<<< Fierce Strike ;) Fierce -> Fierce -> PB >>>> Fierce -> RW -> PB

Your 41/23/2 didn't include rift strike, which should cover at least half that gap.

Yep Rift Strike - top dps ability in RB rotation

[Sebb]

It is senseless, we have 1 AP from Destroyers Bearing and 2H RW <<<< Fierce Strike ;) Fierce -> Fierce -> PB >>>> Fierce -> RW -> PB

Yep Rift Strike - top dps ability in RB rotation

Well it hits for about 800 dmg (median) harder every 8 seconds, so that's 100 dps.
Plus 5% crit is worth about another 100 dps on the dummy parse.

[Drathek]

I'm curious- has anyone tried the old champ/bm/paragon st spec to see how its parsing?

I forget the exact spec, but it was something like 20champ/20paragon/26 bm. Ill try it sometime this weekend, but no way I can till tomorrow earliest