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    Quote Originally Posted by mallorian View Post
    5 wolves outside sanctum pure melee attack me for 9 mins.

    Way of Water:
    28 procs @ 1500 = 42000 = 77.77 sps

    Winds Breath
    81 procs @ 650 = 52650 = 97.50 sps
    Your testing seems to be more in line with what has been suspected.

    Winds Breath remains superior, seemingly due to no ICD which has it proccing way more.
    Single target fights, if hit slowly enough, Way of Water may end up being better.
    Great testing, seems more tangible results than past tests.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mallorian View Post
    Parsed 9mins of taking hits from a single level 50 elite in stillmoor to get an idea of proc rate vs 1 mob (aka a Boss fight) as far as I know hit/dodge/parry/block/miss ect is relatively the same across the board when parsing avoidance.

    9 min fights:

    Totem of Uruluuk:

    9 procs @ 900 = 8100 healing = 15hps

    Winds Breath:

    15 procs @ 650 = 9750 shielding = 18.05 sps

    Way of Water:

    7 procs @ 1500 = 10500 shielding = 19.44 sps

    Arkyrons Mirror:
    13 procs (12.4 one overlapped) @2270 = 28148 = 52.12 hps
    hey tool tip says 2272!

    So for obvious reasons the mirror wins single target because 1 proc = 5 tics of 450 to cover that gap between procs

    appears Way of water about on par with winds breath at this point on test.

    Will do a multi target test later
    Mirror is definately not the best for any kind of raid tanking, It drops its effectivness dramaticly due to overhealing/clipping. Damage prevented is always better then dmg healed in a raid setting.

    Hopefully I'll have some spare time this weekend to sit down and do some indepth testing on these proc rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mallorian View Post
    Parsed 9mins of taking hits from a single level 50 elite in stillmoor to get an idea of proc rate vs 1 mob (aka a Boss fight) as far as I know hit/dodge/parry/block/miss ect is relatively the same across the board when parsing avoidance.

    9 min fights:

    Totem of Uruluuk:

    9 procs @ 900 = 8100 healing = 15hps

    Winds Breath:

    15 procs @ 650 = 9750 shielding = 18.05 sps

    Way of Water:

    7 procs @ 1500 = 10500 shielding = 19.44 sps

    Arkyrons Mirror:
    13 procs (12.4 one overlapped) @2270 = 28148 = 52.12 hps
    hey tool tip says 2272!

    So for obvious reasons the mirror wins single target because 1 proc = 5 tics of 450 to cover that gap between procs

    appears Way of water about on par with winds breath at this point on test.

    Will do a multi target test later
    Is this on test or live? I would really like to get That Uruluuk thing fixed for solo/pvp purposes. That Josh itemization guy can probably adjust all this stuff if you provide the info to him.

    also how are you coming up with these #s, are you using info from logs?

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    Personally for raid tanking I am not impressed with any of the sigils and I dont feel any of them have much of an impact, I usually switch it up between wind's and pvp trinket in raids and mirror for soloing.

    I just counted Tordana probably a way to use ACT to do it but had some time on my hands so went for it =)

    These procs and parses are all from Test server
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    after patch tonight did another parse on same group of wolves (5) for 9 mins

    Way of Water:
    41 procs @ 1500 = 61500 shielding = 113.88 sps. I think we have a winner
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    I did another testing today (28th) regarding Way of Water vs Wind's Breath. Summary as follows:

    With 47% to block physical attacks, I parsed 10mins of getting hit by 5 wolves outside Sanctum.


    Wind's Breath: proc'd 45 times, but it got overwritten 19 times.

    Code:
    45 x 650 Absorb = 29250 or 48.75 Absorb per second
    Way of Water: proc'd 45 times, but it got overwritten 36 times.

    Code:
    45 x 1500 Absorb = 67500 or 112,5 Absorb per second

    Clearly, the proc rate is identical on multi mob scenario, with both trinkets having ICD of 5 seconds (my personal observation), so Way of Water is clearly a winner and FINALLY an upgrade to a blue one.

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    ADDENDUM;

    Tested single mob proc rate with the same enemy and same length of parsing and here are my results;

    Wind's Breath: proc'd 18 times, but it got overwritten 2 times only.

    Code:
    18 x 650 Absorb = 11700 or 19.50 Absorb per second.
    Way of Water: proc'd 14 times, but it got overwritten 3 times.

    Code:
    14 x 1500 Absorb = 21000 or 35 Absorb per second.

    Again, the buff to Way of Water is clearly a winner winner chicken dinner. Yay!

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    Other noticeable changes;

    - Bulwark of Undeath now has 2 min CD.

    - Darktide's Unbreakable Will now has 5 min CD.

    Code:
    1 x 4000 Absorb, which grants you 13,3 Absorb per second.
    Still subpar, especially the fact that it absorbs HALF of the incoming dmg for 15 seconds.

    - Arkryon's Mirror test on 1 wolf outside Sanctum, 10 min parse. 27 procs of 2270 HP, 11 overwrites, ICD of 4 seconds.

    Code:
    27 x 2270 HP = 61290 or 102.15 HP per second.


    All in all, smart tanks will still go for Bridge Badge of Glory. But Hammerknell drop is actually a viable upgrade now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Painstouch View Post
    All in all, smart tanks will still go for Bridge Badge of Glory
    That's debatable, but good to hear that Way of Wind is finally an upgrade now.

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    I had the effect happen twice in the same second with no internal cooldown, it procing over itself while parsing mobs that hit for 5 doesnt really matter in a real situation the absorb would probably be used as it procced and wouldnt be overwritten
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    You sure there isnt any ICD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Painstouch View Post
    You sure there isnt any ICD?
    If theres an IcD its very low, 1sec at the most. I have had near instant refreshes.

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    Did some testing myself today as i got this on thursday.

    Its overwritten itself twice after just 2 secs, so this has to have a lower ICD than 5 secs.

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