Forgot to add
BM:
51 point tallent : Enraged beast - pet grows in size and get massive increased damage/health/armor
Forgot to add
BM:
51 point tallent : Enraged beast - pet grows in size and get massive increased damage/health/armor
Old school llong time mmo player, played more rpgs than id care to admit!
Sadly i have to agree with this, ->AND<- the 51 point abilities are all laughable in the DPS souls still. Destroyers Bearing sounds good when you read what it does, but when you try it out you se what garbage it really is.Originally Posted by Matsy
Some players seem to forget that not only do we lose the +48%, but we lose yet another attack that does +2k damage (Rising waterfall) since it recieves +96% damage from SLi.
Last edited by Draakora; 06-12-2011 at 10:59 AM.
Hah, another good point, same thing as SLi basicly yea. IMO it would have been better if they just upped the AP scaling, increased damage of some of the Souls Damage and that should be it, dont se why they would need to do the same thing again but this time they made it a static buff.
Last edited by Draakora; 06-12-2011 at 11:05 AM.
Well just tested 44 para / 22 RB - 750 dps tops (With 2 relic weapons HAHAHAHA)
Way of the wind is Joke damage. The proc from my legendary dagger did more damage... Like double damage if you can believe that.
Deep Para is still a joke for dps. Rising Waterfall is still the most damaging ability in the Paragon Tree. Which means 2 handers will still take the most advantage from it.
My suggestion to fix para would be to let Deadly Strikes affect all damaging combo builders (Regardless of source or damage type), Increase Way of the Wind's damage by 150% of weapon damage. And reduce the timer on Bend like the Reed back to 30 seconds.
And still need better AP scaling with all warrior abilities.
Doing 750 dps with any non-tank build in full t3 and legendary weapons should NEVER happen. That's just dumb.
I also tested 26BM, 34 champ, 6 para. Pulled about 1k dps - but had pretty severe energy issues with no tablet to use for testing and no archon buddy for energy reduction aura.
I'd suspect raid buffed that build would pull 1200-1300 dps. Which is pretty bad considering I can pull 1400 without breaking a sweat in t2 crafted gear and only 1 piece of t3 + legendary weapon on live.
AGAIN - AP NEEDS TO SCALE BETTER for WARRIORS TO COMPETE!
Last edited by Zahdane; 06-12-2011 at 11:47 AM.
Tanks - The Masochists of the MMO community!
We need to get more strength from AP and AP needs to contribute much better to damage.
Dual-wielding needs to be fixed so it's viable without a talent(s) propping it up.
I.E.: Riftblade tree needs to function with both two handers and dual wielding. Same for BM.
The other trees are definitely based around their specific means of attack.
I love the forums
People cry that there is no real diversity in the DPS classes, that there is only ONE viable PvE spec and that was BM/Champ/Para. Just about every Soul combo took sub Para for SLI.
So Trion takes the QQ into account and decides to make SLI a higher tier Para ability and looks to re-balance the rest of the trees so they didn't rely on that staple talent for ALL builds. They may have not hit the mark and they ask for players assistance "Just as every game does with their PTR."
What do the forums look like when they do this?
WAAAHHH Trion stole my bike!!!
I am a little cry baby puss who can't accept change!!!!
ZOMG DOOM AND GLOOM UNSUB NAOW!!
People demand that Trion pay them to test, and swear that it's solely their job to do all testing, when they (As every other game before them) give people a PTR to test and voice their concerns.
Again people would rather have things handed to them than invest a little time into the game they enjoy to possibly give quality feedback and get a better product out of it.
OMG a little work and you just possibly helped Trion give you what YOU are looking for.
I just wish all these people that demand the sun and the moon and cry constantly, without doing the slightest bit of work themselves, would just unsub and move on to another game.
We get it, you hate the world, now make good on your shallow threats and put your money where your mouth is and walk.
Sir Azyurel of Eternal
Eternal of Greybriar
"WTF is the internet?"
Lol what is actually funny is that this guy is 100% correct. People don't want diversity it seems. They just want to have 1 spec to rule them all. They just don't want a pet to do it with. Also they want to do it with a 2h weapon for the simple reason they don't want to COMPETE with rogues on one handers (this is a serious lol). So the complain is twofold:I love the forums
People cry that there is no real diversity in the DPS classes, that there is only ONE viable PvE spec and that was BM/Champ/Para. Just about every Soul combo took sub Para for SLI.
So Trion takes the QQ into account and decides to make SLI a higher tier Para ability and looks to re-balance the rest of the trees so they didn't rely on that staple talent for ALL builds. They may have not hit the mark and they ask for players assistance "Just as every game does with their PTR."
1) We want to rock everything and make other DPS classes look our 15-20% ahead dust and moan but we don't want a pet to do this.
2) We are loot****** and we want our easy loot and still do the above.
P.S I forgot that the spec to rule them all is ok if it is 31 AFSAF/23 FLKJAFA/4.6 SFAKJLSK/2.9352 ******.
Last edited by Delolith; 06-12-2011 at 02:09 PM.
You dont see the main problem from your high horse. We had only ONE competitive dps spec and a lot of non-competitive ones. They gave us the SLI wheelchair to be balanced around. What we wanted was to have more competitive builds without SLI crutch. What they did is they took that crutch away but with no compensation. SO now we can choose between a lot of builds with comparable dps, but they are all not competitive with other callings.I love the forums
People cry that there is no real diversity in the DPS classes, that there is only ONE viable PvE spec and that was BM/Champ/Para. Just about every Soul combo took sub Para for SLI.
So Trion takes the QQ into account and decides to make SLI a higher tier Para ability and looks to re-balance the rest of the trees so they didn't rely on that staple talent for ALL builds. They may have not hit the mark and they ask for players assistance "Just as every game does with their PTR."
What do the forums look like when they do this?
WAAAHHH Trion stole my bike!!!
I am a little cry baby puss who can't accept change!!!!
ZOMG DOOM AND GLOOM UNSUB NAOW!!
People demand that Trion pay them to test, and swear that it's solely their job to do all testing, when they (As every other game before them) give people a PTR to test and voice their concerns.
Again people would rather have things handed to them than invest a little time into the game they enjoy to possibly give quality feedback and get a better product out of it.
OMG a little work and you just possibly helped Trion give you what YOU are looking for.
I just wish all these people that demand the sun and the moon and cry constantly, without doing the slightest bit of work themselves, would just unsub and move on to another game.
We get it, you hate the world, now make good on your shallow threats and put your money where your mouth is and walk.
In the end, even while we hate the pet and the SLI, it was a way to be at least competitive. Now we dont have even this wheelchair....
This^I love the forums
People cry that there is no real diversity in the DPS classes, that there is only ONE viable PvE spec and that was BM/Champ/Para. Just about every Soul combo took sub Para for SLI.
So Trion takes the QQ into account and decides to make SLI a higher tier Para ability and looks to re-balance the rest of the trees so they didn't rely on that staple talent for ALL builds. They may have not hit the mark and they ask for players assistance "Just as every game does with their PTR."
What do the forums look like when they do this?
WAAAHHH Trion stole my bike!!!
I am a little cry baby puss who can't accept change!!!!
ZOMG DOOM AND GLOOM UNSUB NAOW!!
People demand that Trion pay them to test, and swear that it's solely their job to do all testing, when they (As every other game before them) give people a PTR to test and voice their concerns.
Again people would rather have things handed to them than invest a little time into the game they enjoy to possibly give quality feedback and get a better product out of it.
OMG a little work and you just possibly helped Trion give you what YOU are looking for.
I just wish all these people that demand the sun and the moon and cry constantly, without doing the slightest bit of work themselves, would just unsub and move on to another game.
We get it, you hate the world, now make good on your shallow threats and put your money where your mouth is and walk.
As for scaling and diversity, those things are hugely complicated and they're using the test shard to find the right balance. As a society of gamers we are a great informational resource and Trion is using us as such. There's nothing evil or manipulative about that. They're fixing it, or trying to. The outcome is yet to be seen, but a change to SLI is a good thing. You are free of your shackle to a spec.
Except for the part where they didn't rebalance the trees... at all. All they did was make Paragon 38 manditory to deal damage instead of Paragon 2.I love the forums
People cry that there is no real diversity in the DPS classes, that there is only ONE viable PvE spec and that was BM/Champ/Para. Just about every Soul combo took sub Para for SLI.
So Trion takes the QQ into account and decides to make SLI a higher tier Para ability and looks to re-balance the rest of the trees so they didn't rely on that staple talent for ALL builds. They may have not hit the mark and they ask for players assistance "Just as every game does with their PTR."
What do the forums look like when they do this?
WAAAHHH Trion stole my bike!!!
I am a little cry baby puss who can't accept change!!!!
ZOMG DOOM AND GLOOM UNSUB NAOW!!
People demand that Trion pay them to test, and swear that it's solely their job to do all testing, when they (As every other game before them) give people a PTR to test and voice their concerns.
Again people would rather have things handed to them than invest a little time into the game they enjoy to possibly give quality feedback and get a better product out of it.
OMG a little work and you just possibly helped Trion give you what YOU are looking for.
I just wish all these people that demand the sun and the moon and cry constantly, without doing the slightest bit of work themselves, would just unsub and move on to another game.
We get it, you hate the world, now make good on your shallow threats and put your money where your mouth is and walk.
And no, I'm not going onto the PTR and helping Trion test their damn product for free. If they want to pay me to be part of their QC department a few hours a week... okay we'll talk. Until then, I expect changes to be made with a reasonable amount of intelligence, even if I *don't* volunteer my time to help Trion do their jobs.
Last edited by Lysander Salavone; 06-12-2011 at 03:49 PM.
well, that is a very valid criticism; that there is plenty of data on our forum already, plenty of constructive posts, now they ask for us to do it again, and there are plenty of bugfixes still needed from prior patches, also all spelled out on this forum... why are they asking for more, when they didn't even pay attention to everything they already have access to?
that said im gonna try to do some testing this coming week. i saw somewhere i can cut my download down to under 2gb if i use some rift folder copy trick. if i can figure that out. once i copy my rift folder how do i connect to the test server?
thanks.
I do see the main problem and I mentioned it...The fact that the only viable build for PvE DPS was BM/Champ/Para.
This is the same problem that is plaguing Mages as well with their SC/Ele build. They too are pigeon holed into one viable spec, and Trion took one of their main stay nukes in their rotation and changed it.
We are not the only ones facing the problem. I am merely stating that Trion is taking steps to try and diversify the trees and make more than just one DPS role viable. YES they missed their mark, these changes can be changed, or reverted. My point was that people QQ too much about testing, and most do not act.
Perfect class balance was not achieved over night, and Trion is bound to make mistakes. If they break the class you know they will fix it. Not a single Calling has gone wanting for too long.
Last edited by Grim Tidings; 06-12-2011 at 04:53 PM.
Sir Azyurel of Eternal
Eternal of Greybriar
"WTF is the internet?"
Then I feel you have no real leg to stand on when the changes come through.
It's like saying I really didn't want Obama for President, but I didn't feel like voting, because they didn't pay for my gas to get the the booth.
You get what you put in.
Sir Azyurel of Eternal
Eternal of Greybriar
"WTF is the internet?"
Put in like countless posts in the warrior forums/class forums/pts forums prior to the 1.3 patch notes ever being posted explaining the issues with a 2 point talent and how it shouldn't be there, and that you'd need to buff trees and removed it or put it higher in? Or like the countless posts about how one dps for pve was the best? or like the countless posts in the pvp forums and class forums dealing with the issues of having to be melee only with issues of being a front line fighter and the balance between defense and offense?
was that the "put in" you were talking about?
or you mean like the 55 pages posted on the warrior patch notes with actual information about how much lower the damage is based on various different specs?
Last edited by naturegoulet; 06-12-2011 at 05:32 PM.
Ah okay. So people who don't test things on the PTR for them have no right to complain. Thanks for explaining your point.
Here's my point: Trion is absolutely free to run their game into the ground if they like. I'm also free to not pay for it. Fair deal as far as I'm concerned.
Last edited by Lysander Salavone; 06-12-2011 at 05:38 PM.
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