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Thread: Compare to a Champion & SEE why Sab is not OP

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    Default Compare to a Champion & SEE why Sab is not OP

    So with all the QQing, I decided to run actual numbers and see whether if Sab was in fact OP.

    Since I don't have all day for comparison, I decided to take the strongest Burst Damage Warrior (Champion) vs the strongest Burst Damage Rouge (Sab). This does not take into affect attributes by armor or skills, Straight Apples to Apples - over 6 Global Cooldowns, max possible damage...


    Spec /Champion / Sab
    Level 19 Weapon /Copper Battle Axe / Ashwood Longbow
    Damage /23-44 /15-28
    DPS / 8.8 / 8.3
    Point Generator Skill /Power Strike / Blast Charge
    Finisher Skill / Punishing Blow / Detonate
    Damage per Point / 57 / 39
    Total Point Damage / 285 / 195
    Finisher Damage / 100.6 / 58
    Total Damage (6 GCD) /385.6 / 253
    White Damage /52.8 /49.8
    6 GCD Damage /438.4 / 302.4

    Without any other factor, you could say Sab is not OP, buts lets factor in the dodge/parry affect. Champions would have to miss 31% of their damage to be equal with a Sab. In addition, Champions wearing plate, Sab's leather , means they have a higher survivability rate.

    Numbers don't lie. Sabs are NOT OP.

    Consider also that in PVP, Charges can be wiped clean by a Cleric, and can bring down a Sab's total damage to 107.8. Champions can't loose damage in that manner.
    Last edited by Deivas; 02-28-2011 at 12:59 PM.

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    Champ does 0 damage from 30m range

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverblabe View Post
    Champ does 0 damage from 30m range
    10 % miss
    20% out of range

    30% damage reduction = same output over 6 GCD

    In PVP

    In PVE - Champions 100% uptime.
    Last edited by Deivas; 02-28-2011 at 12:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverblabe View Post
    Champ does 0 damage from 30m range
    That pretty much ends this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverblabe View Post
    Champ does 0 damage from 30m range
    bull rush

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    As a Bard I can tell you I fear DPS warriors far more then Sabo's. I've had some warriors make it their purpose to ruin me in WF and shut me down almost entirely. Every time I stepped on the field I was running from them. And no one was going after them because people leave Warriors alone and go after softer targets.

    A Sabo I can see the charges run away or Phase shift away and if they chase my team usually helps take them out.

    I tend to watch closely though for negative effects on me.

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    kidding me? bards are more OP than Sabs.

    just use the Virtuoso I-WIN button.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vember View Post
    That pretty much ends this thread.
    yep, champions have no way to close range, thread over. If only they had a way to "rush" their opponents in a fashion similar to the way a bull charges. If only. Oh well, merely a pipe drean since riftmaster Vember is the final voice and has declared this thread over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortis Rex View Post
    yep, champions have no way to close range, thread over. If only they had a way to "rush" their opponents in a fashion similar to the way a bull charges. If only. Oh well, merely a pipe drean since riftmaster Vember is the final voice and has declared this thread over.
    You know if that sort of rush also had a root added onto it so their target wouldn't be able to run away, that'd be amazing too. What about some kind of CC that would let them charge into a group of people and not let any of them attack the champion too? That would really make some sort of OP combo I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mortis Rex View Post
    riftmaster Vember is the final voice and has declared this thread over.
    Finally, the recognition I deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vember View Post
    That pretty much ends this thread.
    That's because you're a noob.

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    Said it before, will say it again... it's NOT the DPS that is an issue with sab, it's the burst potential. You can timebomb->finisher bomb->headshot and do 3500 dmg instantly. It's got nothing to do w/ DPS because sabs dps is awful. It's all about timing your abilities so that they all go off at the exact same time.

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    Champions have +50% Armor Ignore on their main hit too? Damn, that's pretty cool. Oh wait.

    Also I don't think you're counting 6 charges, with the Charge Booster point. Or the fact you can hit 3 targets with the finisher on Blast Charges with an Anni Bomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XFracture View Post
    That's because you're a noob.
    I suppose so, if to you the difference between 100% uptime in pvp and having to be in melee range for your damage is "comparable". Champs have CC and a gap closer, but they can't lock you down, and they have to be in melee range to damage you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XFracture View Post
    That's because you're a noob.
    To whomever it may concern;

    We miss you. Please come back.

    Love,

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    @ the few in this thread who don't understand basic game mechanics: stop being bad.

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