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    Default A possible nice PvE build for Rouges

    First of all, this is only possible to do after lvl 26, but I only advice to do this after lvl 30 cuz you will loose the ability to heal your pet and the AP buff if you go do this at lvl 26.

    At: 26
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0MfTN.xMz.qMMcE00k0z

    At: 30
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M....qMMcE00k0z.Vz

    Well the crucial thing is to put 26 points into sab, this is for the crucial skill that gives your "Annhiliation bomb" the ability to detonate charges. The thing is, we all know the burst dmg of sab is high and the "Deadeye SHot" of marksman is really powerful. So, this is a way to combine these too really fast, I average do 60 - 70% of the hp to mobs at lvl 30 with this.

    So, how does this work:

    Well, first you will build up 5x dmg charges (first charges you get, Blast Charge) This add the 5 charges which you can detonateand along with that it adds 5 combopoints. When you use your "Detonate" skill it detonate the 5 charges and do dmg on its own as well after how many combopoints you have.

    When you get the 26 points skill which makes your "Annhiliation bomb" able to detonate the charges, one crucial thing happens. It does over all a bit less dmg than when you use the "Detonate" BUT. It doesn't use any combopoints. SO, that means, right after this -----> Deadeye shot can be fired with 5 combopoints and these two combined does alot of dmg.

    So, the rotation:

    1. 5 Blast charge (same dmg when detonated by either "Detonate" or "Annhiliation Bomb")
    During this your pet will attack the mob

    2. After this you throw the "Annhiliation Bomb" (At lvl 30 this dealt around 100 less dmg than using "Detonate") This bomb also deliver dmg to multible targets and stuns them for 2 secounds. So, asuming you kill 1 and 1 mob, we have now dealt around 10% less dmg than if you had used "Detonate" (With "Detonate" I did 1000 dmg average non crit, was 900 with "Annhiliation Bomb" )

    3. Right after throwing "Annhiliation bomb" Go press "Deadeye Shot" Targett will still have the 5 combopoints since you used "Annhiliation bomb" to detonate them, so the "Deadeye shot" is ready to go at full power right after this.

    This strategy takes 1.5 - 2 seconds longer (fiering time of Deadeye Shot + extra time of clicking) But you will have done incredible high dmg by just useing 1.5 seconds longer

    Hope this is interesting for some, some other may already know this, just thought I would share it ;)
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    Nice idea but there are too many downsides of that build.

    What's the point in having a pet if you're going to kill the mobs before they get to you?

    You're not getting any of the amazing dmg passives for charges if you don't go NB/sin.

    Anni bomb has a pretty big cd.

    You're getting improved detonate even though you're focusing on bomb and MM finisher.

    Repelling shot isn't needed if you have a pet.

    My advice would be to ditch MM and get NB for dmg passives on sab skills. Sab and MM don't synergize well at all.

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    5-charge Detonate does more damage than a 5 point Deadeye Shot AND it's insta-cast, so this build is pretty stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurlock View Post
    5-charge Detonate does more damage than a 5 point Deadeye Shot AND it's insta-cast, so this build is pretty stupid.
    Yes it does, but I think you misunderstood what I wrote. Cuz my point is that 5-charge detonate dont do as much dmg as 5-charge Annhiliation bomb + 5 point deadeye shot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by `xell View Post
    Nice idea but there are too many downsides of that build.

    What's the point in having a pet if you're going to kill the mobs before they get to you?

    You're not getting any of the amazing dmg passives for charges if you don't go NB/sin.

    Anni bomb has a pretty big cd.

    You're getting improved detonate even though you're focusing on bomb and MM finisher.

    Repelling shot isn't needed if you have a pet.

    My advice would be to ditch MM and get NB for dmg passives on sab skills. Sab and MM don't synergize well at all.
    Been thinking on this as well, but I wasn't sure if those passives would apply to sab. So sab skills are indeed "Physical Range" attacks? o.o

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    You mean like this?
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...x.qMMcE00ko.Vz
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    Blast, Spike, and Shrapnel are physical. The others are elemental. Blazing fury in the NB tree and poison potency in the sin tree(charges are considered poisons) buff charges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheka View Post
    Not excatly, the reason you think this is because the "Detonate" detonates the 5 charges also. All the dmg when you press "Detonate" isn't all the detonate skill. Its detonate skill + charges. If you build up 5 combopoints without charges and press "Detonate" then you see how much dmg the actual "Detonate" do.
    Uh, you are totally missing my point.

    Annihilation Bomb + Detonate does more damage than Annihilation Bomb + Deadeye Shot AND it takes less time.

    You are trying to be creative for the sake of being creative. This build makes zero sense (for the reasons mentioned by the other poster as well).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurlock View Post
    Uh, you are totally missing my point.

    Annihilation Bomb + Detonate does more damage than Annihilation Bomb + Deadeye Shot AND it takes less time.

    You are trying to be creative for the sake of being creative. This build makes zero sense (for the reasons mentioned by the other poster as well).
    I know I did, read my edit please

    Remember what I wrote, with 26 points you can get your annhiliation bomb to detonate the 5 charges as well. Then it is close to the dmg of your detonate. And you keep the 5 combopoints which you can use imidiatly after for deadeye shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by `xell View Post
    Blast, Spike, and Shrapnel are physical. The others are elemental. Blazing fury in the NB tree and poison potency in the sin tree(charges are considered poisons) buff charges.
    Aha I understand a bit more now, but "poison potency in the sin tree" ?

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    1.) Improved Swift Shot?

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    This IS PvE we're talking about right?

    2.) Nimble Fingers over Long Range Bombing and Remote Clipping? Are you high? At best, around level 30, that nets you like what, 20 dex? Can you say useless? I know people love to see the +% dex but in reality, until endgame (we're assuming) that gain is infintesimal. The only reason to invest in any +%stat boosting talent is because A.) There's nothing better to invest in or B.) You're going 51 points deep in a tree. That's it.

    3.) Repelling shot is for PvP only. There's no real point behind it in PvE unless you're planning on Repelling, Adhesive Bomb and then kiting. In which case just throw the point in Crippling shot instead and save yourself the headache if you're using it for kiting. In solo PvE you should be using your razor beast to keep aggro. And he does a bang up job at doing it. Unless you're pulling 4+ mobs it's easy for your razor to live long enough for you to kill a 3 (maybe 4) mob pull before everything is nuked to death. Ranger, with no points invested in it, makes solo'ing easy mode.

    In short, put the point somewhere else or put it in Crippling Shot. Repelling shot is useless in PvE.

    This is what you should be sporting by 26:

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0MfTN.xbz.xcMcE00k0z

    And at 30 take that point out of killing focus and put it in either demo specialist or carpet bombing. It's a PVE build right? You want more AoE. More AoE = more mobs you can pull and kablooie. Killing Focus is an endgame build filler. It's not something you should be shooting for right out the gates. If you're going to invest only 7 points deep into ranger, and I suspect that you are, save killing focus for your last point investment. There are more important talents you should be getting before that final +4% physical damage boost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XFracture View Post
    1.) Improved Swift Shot?

    L
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    This IS PvE we're talking about right?

    2.) Nimble Fingers over Long Range Bombing and Remote Clipping? Are you high? At best, around level 30, that nets you like what, 20 dex? Can you say useless? I know people love to see the +% dex but in reality, until endgame (we're assuming) that gain is infintesimal. The only reason to invest in any +%stat boosting talent is because A.) There's nothing better to invest in or B.) You're going 51 points deep in a tree. That's it.

    3.) Repelling shot is for PvP only. There's no real point behind it in PvE unless you're planning on Repelling, Adhesive Bomb and then kiting. In which case just throw the point in Crippling shot instead and save yourself the headache if you're using it for kiting. In solo PvE you should be using your razor beast to keep aggro. And he does a bang up job at doing it. Unless you're pulling 4+ mobs it's easy for your razor to live long enough for you to kill a 3 (maybe 4) mob pull before everything is nuked to death. Ranger, with no points invested in it, makes solo'ing easy mode.

    In short, put the point somewhere else or put it in Crippling Shot. Repelling shot is useless in PvE.

    This is what you should be sporting by 26:

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0MfTN.xbz.xcMcE00k0z

    And at 30 take that point out of killing focus and put it in either demo specialist or carpet bombing. It's a PVE build right? You want more AoE. More AoE = more mobs you can pull and kablooie. Killing Focus is an endgame build filler. It's not something you should be shooting for right out the gates. If you're going to invest only 7 points deep into ranger, and I suspect that you are, save killing focus for your last point investment. There are more important talents you should be getting before that final +4% physical damage boost.


    1. Swift Shot, well I can agree thats dumb

    2. I played until 31 and from what I can tell I dont need more range in PvE, so why shouldn't I go Nimble Fingers that gives me more chance to crit? (dodge and parry just a bonus) Points is, I feel like I dont need more range so nimble fingers provides a bigger bonus.

    3. Btw, the build you made for me, you put points into repelling shot too But yeh I agree its maybe a bit stupid

    4. The point in killing focus aint there because its a great spec, its there to get the AP buff. I agree on carpet bombiong btw.

    So far, I am leaning toward:
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M....izMcE00koz.Vz

    or instead of marksman (as some people ment NB would be better)
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0MiTN.V.izMcE00koz.Vz

    smth like that maybe.....
    Last edited by Sheka; 02-22-2011 at 12:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheka View Post
    I know I did, read my edit please

    Remember what I wrote, with 26 points you can get your annhiliation bomb to detonate the 5 charges as well. Then it is close to the dmg of your detonate. And you keep the 5 combopoints which you can use imidiatly after for deadeye shot.
    You can use detonate immediately after using annihilation bomb which, as you just agreed to above, does move damage than deadeye shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spurlock View Post
    You can use detonate immediately after using annihilation bomb which, as you just agreed to above, does move damage than deadeye shot.
    It does not if you play like I explained.

    Please read and understand -_-

    1. Built up 5x Burst Charges

    2. Annhiliation bomb (WITH THE ANNHILIATION BOMB SPEC WHICH DETONATES THE CHARGES)

    3. After this you CAN use detonate, because the 5 poin combo remain, but you will have used all the charges when you threw the annhiliation bomb. So the detonate is nothing more then the dmg the detonate does. And let me tell you, 5 point detonate dont do the same dmg as 5 point deadeye shot. 5- point detonate ALONG with 5 charges does more dmg then deadeye shot, but those charges you blew up using annhiliation bomb.

    4. So when you detonated the charges using annhiliation bomb, the 5 point combopoints remain and you can use deadeye shot at full power.

    Please understand now. Detonate is only powerful if you have 5 charges and 5 combopoints.

    And if your gonna say now that "Why dont just use detonate then" then its because this provides more dmg with only 1.5 - 2 sec extra time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheka View Post
    1. Swift Shot, well I can agree thats dumb.
    The reason you want the increased range is because a.) for kiting on group pulls when your Razor goes down but more importantly b.) it will keep your build viable for PvP for when you decide to break up the leveling monotony. And you will PvP. You may not be hardcore about it but everyone PvP's eventually in Rift. And all you're sacrificing is a, at best, .6-.8% crit chance/dodge/parry rating.

    The range difference between 20-30 meters may not sound like much but in group PvP when you need to stay out of Boss AoE range, yes... you need that. And in PvP, it's like night and day. After playing with a 30m range you'll wonder how you ever survived at 20m. If you're gonna go heavy in Sab you gotta get your primary DPS (charges) as long a range as you can. Whether it be for PvE or PvP.

    And yes, now that I look at it, yeah that point is necessary to get your buff. Disregard that statement of mine. Good call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheka View Post
    It does not if you play like I explained.

    Please read and understand -_-

    1. Built up 5x Burst Charges

    2. Annhiliation bomb (WITH THE ANNHILIATION BOMB SPEC WHICH DETONATES THE CHARGES)

    3. After this you CAN use detonate, because the 5 poin combo remain, but you will have used all the charges when you threw the annhiliation bomb. So the detonate is nothing more then the dmg the detonate does. And let me tell you, 5 point detonate dont do the same dmg as 5 point deadeye shot. 5- point detonate ALONG with 5 charges does more dmg then deadeye shot, but those charges you blew up using annhiliation bomb.

    4. So when you detonated the charges using annhiliation bomb, the 5 point combopoints remain and you can use deadeye shot at full power.

    Please understand now. Detonate is only powerful if you have 5 charges and 5 combopoints.

    And if your gonna say now that "Why dont just use detonate then" then its because this provides more dmg with only 1.5 - 2 sec extra time.
    Someone hasn't read the latest patch notes where Deadeye Shot got nerfed...again. So no, it's NOT worth the extra 2 seconds.

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