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    Cool 4.5 .51 BOFORS rogue top st dps

    BOFORS rogue top st dps-bofors_51_paint10of10_2.jpg

    intro

    I leveled and geared up my rogue and was ashamed of the nightblade st dmg so i spent a couple days before sylvester to improve on that.

    The result is a Rapidfire based mid range spec which (hopefully) can compete with Primalists.

    It's basically about to get 5 Stacks of Legendary Dusk Strike, the bonus of leg Calculated Shot before firing off Rapid Fire Shot. If feels like loading and firing 12 rounds of a 40mm bofors gun so i called it that way.

    BOFORS rogue top st dps-2019-01-07_173911999.jpg

    The spec

    1) BOFORS pve
    https://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#...Z9aAAx4/yd|fPM



    The following is for 1) BOFORS

    51 Marksman for silver tip Amunitions and all the passive buffs on Rapid Fire Shot
    23 Nightblade for Heat Retention and Dusk Strike
    2 Assassin for Virulent Poison and physical damage


    Legendaries:


    mm
    Rapid Fire Shot
    Calculated Shot
    nb
    Dusk Strike
    Hellfire Blades
    assa
    Virulent Poison


    Masteries:


    61 - ANY

    62 - ANY (Revitalize)

    63 - BOUNDLESS ENERGY (for an extra silvertip stack which is 6% dmg)

    64 - THROUGH THE ETHER when going 100% single target, REPETITIVE STRIKES when planning to cleave in any way

    65 - Free to choose! (As default you may run PLANAR CONSERVATION - with a Chloro you go Energy Manipulation but watch out for its 10 Energy cost while being close to 50% - if you really need to cleave you can go planar Variation, it does pretty much the same as in marksman but dont implement it into your default Rotation.)

    pros:

    + Insanely high and fast ticks on Rapid fire shot (12x 1-2mil in 3 secs)
    + Very satisfying to play
    + Relatively easy to pick up
    + Gets you into Raids with less gear than MM
    + High controlability (delays and saving dusk strike stacks)
    + Good target swap (Barbed Shot as the only on-target ability - silvertip in this case is best applied by barbed shot and Rapid Fire itself)
    + Mobility of a Marksman
    + Interrupt, purge
    + interchangeable 65 Mastery
    + Not dependent on Hellfire Blades or other limited cooldowns such as Razor Beast (HFB is below 7% total st dmg)
    + Not dependent on Max eternal to deal good damage
    + 6second buildup doesn't suffer too much from slow archonts
    + Free to play

    cons:

    - don't get energystarved you may dance slitghtly above 50% all the time
    - ****ty aoe (unless you go Planar Variation which is 1min cd)
    - at least 5 Seconds per 12 seconds within 20 Meter range
    - Shooting on targets below 15-20mil hp is a dmg loss (bc they die too quick)

    odds:

    ~It exceeds with high physcrit
    (~dusk Strike and Rapid Fire Shot have stupid sounds, also you may just get no animation doing RFS standing melee range) If someone can patch in a 40mm firing sound for RFS thatl be great

    Rotation

    opener: [HFB DS - DS - DS - DS - DS - CS - BE RFS] (HFB placement in the Opener so its cd matches with a RFS later on.

    default repeat: DS - DS - DS - ES - DS - BS - DS - CS - RFS
    Reliquar/ Crit pots+RFS on every second RFS (RFS cd 12secs- crit uptime 15 secs)

    To give the energy some time to recover from DS and keep the distance to the 50% mark.
    Feel free to experiment with the placement of Es Bs and Cs to your liking but i recomend putting them between the 3rd 4th and 5th DS still the priority is CS > > BS > ES

    legend
    DS - Dusk Strike
    ES - empowered Shot
    BS - Barbed Shot
    CS - Calculated Shot
    RFS - Rapid fire Shot
    HFB - Hellfire Blades
    BE - Bull's Eye
    gcd - Global Cooldown - the internal cooldown after a gcd ability is used

    *-> When in doubt it should do aprox 29% more damage than mm(with PV) st on same gear.
    With 1% Virulent Poison and CS% above BS%, RFS 75%+ total dmg with 75%+ crit'
    Also funny enough your total St dps is pretty much the same as one average RFS Crit+one average HFB hit. You will reach 80% of total st dmg with RFS when accessing 5% crit from a Prima or chaining Critpods
    On the commander when using a ranged spec with 100% potential (not RB or NB) you should end the fight with a st dps fairly simmilar to what you get selfbuffed on a dummy.
    Virulent poison below1% -> you cleaved
    Virulent Poison above1% -> you fked up somewhere

    -> Use bull's eye when your omnox trinket proccs it will procc within the first seconds and its internal 1m cooldown will start when the effect is over which means you pop Bull's Eye 70 seconds after the first trinket procc since omnox can procc while firing off RFS and may not least into the next - also dont forget to unequip and reequip your trinket to reset the cooldown of it inbetween tests.

    *-> Stand Melee if possible for better autoattacks

    ->Rapid Fire Shot lasts 3 Seconds and has a 12 Second cooldown which starts after initialy pressing it which means you technically have 9 gcds but in reality you can only fit 8 Abilities in before it is ready again

    Macros

    *#1 make your own !

    #2 this is pressed for 3 gcd'S after your 5 Dusk Strikes if you need a simple version (not as opener)

    #show Calculated Shot
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Calculated Shot
    cast Empowered Shot
    cast Barbed Shot
    cast Hellfire Blades

    #3 default to keep your Hellfire up - you can do that on any shot (unless someone found the sweetspot maxing HFB)

    #show Dusk Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Dusk Strike
    cast Hellfire Blades

    #3 NOT your default RFS but only used as first and then every 70 seconds (every 6 RFS) also that way it will never danger to clip a RFS

    #show Bull's Eye
    suppressmacrofailures
    (your critpods)
    cast Bull's Eye
    cast Rapid Fire Shot

    If you find ANY improvement to make on that let me know!

    *Advanced

    2) BOSFORS PVE
    https://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#...Z9aAAx4/yq|fPw
    adaptation to delete hp on BOS adds 2nd and 3rd[don't use if you have proper cleavers and there are less than 5adds alive for PV]

    BOFORS rogue top st dps-rgbpaint.jpgRGB subvariants

    3) RGB PVE DUNGEON
    https://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#...x4/wmy4ak|XLPM
    Scraped version back from the dead! Legendary Empyrean Shot makes RFS's more frequent while neglecting ES/BS
    ALSO you can pump out Necrotic Torrent in doubbletime (96 ticks in 3 secs) with Hellfireblades (~280 ticks) to deal with 'trash'.
    By far the easyest and recomended to pick up as new player! Manage HFB manualy for more aoe potential.

    #show Empyrean Shot
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Empyrean Shot
    cast Dusk Strike

    4) RGB PVP
    https://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#...10/wgEEG8|__Pw
    Need someone to test that for me tx- May go Strafe to soak up the rupts


    *My only breakdowns on a proper encounter so far - that's why i was so dependent on your feedback to keep developing
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...06_1636382.jpg
    1st Bofors
    2nd 3rd Bosfors

    SPECIAL THANKS
    to Zondron@Zaviel Missfortunka@Zaviel Killerloose@Zaviel and Vermillion@Zaviel for feedback and testing!

    oddly enough this build is fairly close to that old post
    http://forums.riftgame.com/game-disc...new-class.html

    Here is a Video of a bofors (don't mind the music)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWCuxWYrLfc

    If you want to donate plat feel free to hit me up im pretty broke! (3 donations so far Yay)
    sincerely Shascleric@Zaviel/Hierosolyma@Zaviel/Azuren@Zaviel/Jeru@Hailol

    edit 08.Jan.19 It's been two weeks now since theorising about it and after alot of minifixes on the post this is the more guide-like version i will just leave for now.
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    Last edited by Shas; 01-24-2019 at 10:16 AM. Reason: Grammar correction, paint skills 10/10, RGB dungeon re-addet

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    +1 wild horse spec. blows my socks and comes back with shoes on, several hit wonders that infuses your blood with purple rain, mgk aint got nuffink on this

    BiS guide writer 2019 , will vote for you to be CM <3

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    Mind if you could post a parse or two along with the stats of ur gear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaybae View Post
    Mind if you could post a parse or two along with the stats of ur gear?
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...-03_132947.jpg

    reseted a couple fragments with better offstats in the meantime, waiting for amazon to deliver eternal.
    down below sweaty mm for comparison (today are horrible lags just found out several NA server went down)
    -> didnt use the eternal buff so i think its better compareable

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...-03_143631.jpg
    Last edited by Shas; 01-03-2019 at 08:08 AM.

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    Default /bows to Shas

    Awesome job, Shas <3

    Edit: Oh I didn't even use my relique of rage while testing it. Since I didn't put it in any macro :O and I compared it to NB with relique... so the difference is even bigger. A little bit.
    Last edited by MissFortunka; 01-03-2019 at 07:20 AM.

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    Well thanks, please note that i adapted the Magelo link with NB 3 points from Unstable State back to Blazing Fury, no clue what they did there ^^ 6% on Cs Es Bs now
    Last edited by Shas; 01-03-2019 at 07:51 AM.

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    Thank you for making this spec !
    OneButton (Half-way now to becoming a two-button player!)
    If there is anything you need, just ask, and I will tell you how to get along Without it!
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    Very nice spec. Thank you very much for sharing!
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    Please be so kind and share your experience (raid dmg breakdown)
    here or discord: Shas_#6819

    thanks in advanvce

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    You can go easymode and rotate Dsx5 ES BS CS RFS but that way you skate close to the 50% mark all the time, risk to starve on Bull's Eye and won't really be able to use Energy Manipulation (10(9) energy) whenever even having a chloro with cost reduce without risking to dip below 50%.

    (Advanced)
    The streched out MM shots inbetween DS even the energyrestoration out since you can't relay on Boundless Energy to procc whenever you need it. Also i put Empowered Shot as first of the 3 MM shots so the 2 buffing shots are applied last before RFS and are up as long as possible in case the situation requres you to delay something (comander shield cast) and it combines the cheaper 'filler' shots with stacked up DS. [ES and Cs 22(21) ES 28(27) energy]. The rotation is ment to be used in the ideal case you have a chloro and need a 10 energybuffer to fire off Energy Manipulation frequently. Also chaining your abilities to hover slightly below 100 energy makes them benefit from Boundless Energy even more. You always want to start the 8gcd buildup block with 100 Energy. So much that its NOT WORTH engaging with a Deadeye Shot or Empowered Shot since the energy gets taken after the cast and won't reach 100 within 1 second.
    Luckily Hellfire Blades are for free. Trying to sync Hellfire Blades with RFS will end up having a 0.5 sec cd here and there on HFB while RFS is ready to go in that case you trade 12x 100k+ for delaying 4 ticks of 1mil+ or even risking to clip RFS having a 'finishermacro'. Also the 15 secs uptime of Hellfireblades will make it benefit from the quick ticks of at least one RFS everytime.
    Reposted in the Class Guide Section (since there isn't really any discussion going on)
    any further updates and corrections here:

    http://forums.riftgame.com/game-disc...al-repost.html
    Last edited by Shas; 02-01-2019 at 06:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shas View Post
    Please be so kind and share your experience (raid dmg breakdown)
    here or discord: Shas_#6819

    thanks in advanvce
    I already cleared BoS this week on my rogue but here's some dummy parses.

    https://i.imgur.com/uWZwNDZ.jpg

    I'll give it a try next week.
    Last edited by Skiye; 01-04-2019 at 06:25 AM.
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    Posting for a friend.

    This spec that OP posted:
    https://gyazo.com/19aa88cc2fea4eb9e0d6c44f3c2ad82b
    https://gyazo.com/797fb3a68932ff9b95ecf4f87e70b443

    61 MM:
    https://gyazo.com/0cc10a8b7fb4d5392dc570dfd10713bb

    For the 61 MM parse, few things to mention is the parser was using a non min-max version of the rotation and he screwed up on his dps a Little, which made him lose 50-60k dps.

    Also probably Worth mentioning, a talent in MM tree high up called ''Collateral Damage'' could be Worth removing one Point from and put it on the ability ''Chain destruction'' to get a good AoE dmg ability filler if it's ever needed, for an example at isiel in BoS.

    *Messenger flies away*
    Last edited by Slaybae; 01-05-2019 at 05:13 AM.

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    Wink Reality check/ field testing - thanks for the input

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaybae View Post
    Posting for a friend.
    appreciate it

    The spec usually is a 29% gain over 61mm in st
    He seems to use BS and DS isntead of ES

    RFS is more than a finisher and bread and butter here, it's your wife family and dog + jesus
    all you do is fire off a barrage of it every 12 seconds everything inbetween is more or less nice to have. Apparently 5DS BS and CS are the best options for it having one gcd left you either do nothing or use an Empowered Shot which does more dmg and costs less energy than a stacked Dusk Strike. Using RFS a second later is almost equal to using it on 4 DS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaybae View Post
    Also probably Worth mentioning, a talent in MM tree high up called ''Collateral Damage'' could be Worth removing one Point from and put it on the ability ''Chain destruction'' to get a good AoE dmg ability filler if it's ever needed, for an example at isiel in BoS.
    One point Collateral makes up for 1.7% of your total dmg (2% x 0.85) (~85% physical damage). Also 2x2% into phys @assassin is the reason why bofors is supreme to RGB
    (51mm 25/24NB 0Tact/1ranger)

    (If you want chain Destruction or Guarded Departure rather take from Penetrating Shots)

    For a cheap plat you can adapt it on the fly but i would rather not run CD on default ^^
    Id rather go for an emergency variation since it pretty much oneshots trash with hfb and Replace Empowered Shot with Lightning Fury

    For a semicleave Variant try RGB 51mm 24nb 1rg
    https://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#...x4/wmy4ak|X_Pw

    Use Planar Variation on minute 3(robo appears) and 4(trash+commander) besides that (Less than 8 targets lol fk that) keep it out of the rotation.
    Do the mm thing with RzB HFB PV since those 2 bursts must make up for the passive loss from the talent points and one RFS.

    Starting phase 2 (at the robo while the void is active or as the ranged adds are draged to the commander) with a RzB hfb PV will catapult you on 4m+ which is something good. (i really struggeled to find a better expression)

    * that was pure speculation and turns out to be bis. Rushes through the tank phase while firing off 2 PV literaly airbursting whatever is not a boss. When using that version as an own soul for Isiel and Titanx i recommend going
    https://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#...x4/whG4a8|TvPw
    while using Lightning fury more often. when you plan to run Razor Beast just for Cleaving you may want to reconsider your raid setup why tf you have to do everything.
    Last edited by Shas; 01-06-2019 at 12:51 PM.

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    Did a TDNM. I ran your spec with my rogue on each boss and the results were quite nice.

    https://prancingturtle.com/Session/Detail/17738
    Last edited by Skiye; 01-05-2019 at 07:23 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skiye View Post
    Did a TDNM. I ran your spec with my rogue on each boss and the results were quite nice.

    https://prancingturtle.com/Session/Detail/17738
    perfect. Interesting to see that it reaches its average on 23 secs with the max climbing potential towards the end of Flaring. Also on Mallanon you see very good that maxing HFB on that is its own science.



    -> anyone tried it in pvp?
    That build seems reasonable since the eternal 50% mechanic does'nt apply anyway.
    https://rift.magelo.com/en/soultree#...c8/wgEEH2|__Pw
    Alternate between Vampiric and Rending Munitions. Get your DS CS up (reset fight) wait for an opportunity.-> [stealth-> Dark Malady ]-> Twilight Force -> [knock target out of los to heals](Barbed shot) -> Hellfire Razor Bull's Eye-> RFS
    With Repending and Crossfire you have 10s on knockbacks
    When you have chosen your partner get a Deaden off first and make them trigger the break free or sacrifice your Twilight Force [when a pvp main keeps having State of Sloth he is probably out of Break Frees] and make them trigger the Break Free Fading Light macros before Static shock them.
    Depending on the actual damage this may work as that inquisitor trick where you cast AI then NR on max range to make them tick the same time.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...8/PVPMACRO.jpg

    I don't do pvp tho^
    Whoever kills Stormy@Zaviel with that RGB and sends in a screenshot gets a little reward.
    Last edited by Shas; 01-07-2019 at 08:22 AM. Reason: added pvp part

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