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    Default Assassin rotation question

    been bugging me for awhile. If I had a choice, would it be better to

    1) clip Impale 3+ seconds
    2) get in one last final blow and let impale drop

    this is assuming I don't have a Jagged in the next builder block so 4-5 gcds
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiskerton View Post
    been bugging me for awhile. If I had a choice, would it be better to

    1) clip Impale 3+ seconds
    2) get in one last final blow and let impale drop

    this is assuming I don't have a Jagged in the next builder block so 4-5 gcds
    Let Impale drop.

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    Where's the break point for that? I'm also assuming always refresh it before C&D drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caldorian View Post
    Where's the break point for that? I'm also assuming always refresh it before C&D drops.
    I would never clip more than the last tick unless there are some very fight specific reasons to do so such as a timed phase or a buff like on goloch.

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    I thought instead you should be using a FB at whatever combo points you have at 5s before Impale falls off so you can use 4 Savage and a Serpent and apply Impale right after it falls? I guess we should never "clip" FB then?

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    Dots shouldnt be clipped at all..in fact that its potential comes from its whole duration...

    in case of assassin, like gery mentioned, you should just get out as many 5 CP FB's like possible during impale, also cloak and dagger isnt an issue here, because the 15% gain is decreased by clipping and in a standard situation all impales should benefit from cloak and dagger automatically even if you drop impale...

    the only situation where i personally would clip impale is,if you cant get out a 5cp FB+ cloak and dagger but a cloak and dagger +impale
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    I've been clipping the last second on impale this whole time, is that wrong?
    Quote Originally Posted by Muspel View Post
    I believe Assassin DoTs are uncleansable.

    It's still a terrible PvP spec compared to Marksman, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunzip View Post
    I've been clipping the last second on impale this whole time, is that wrong?
    in a perfect world under perfect circumstances imagine this...impale does 50.000 dmg per gcd you use it....has a duration of 20 seconds..so each tick is 2500 dmg..if you clip every last second of impale you weaken this particual GCD by 2500 dmg...

    but be aware..letting impale drop does not weaken that GCD!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nynja View Post
    in a perfect world under perfect circumstances imagine this...impale does 50.000 dmg per gcd you use it....has a duration of 20 seconds..so each tick is 2500 dmg..if you clip every last second of impale you weaken this particual GCD by 2500 dmg...

    but be aware..letting impale drop does not weaken that GCD!
    Thanks, easy adjustment.
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    I believe Assassin DoTs are uncleansable.

    It's still a terrible PvP spec compared to Marksman, though.

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    Well, the issue with dot clipping is not that you weaken that particular instance of the dot, it's that if you let it drop you will have downtime (ie periods of no dps from that ability). This isn't an issue with most dots because they do not have cooldowns. However, impale is a special case that needs 5 cp before usage. My question basically boiled down to which is better: 1 less Final Blow or 6+ seconds of Impale downtime? I don't know how Rift's math works, so I wouldn't trust a pure tooltip value answer
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    easy to compare these situations

    when the dmg of a 5cp final blow (even without impale) is higher than 4-5 seconds (dont forget serpent strike) of impale than its worth it

    normally whe have situations in which you would do a 5cp FB with 1-2 seconds downtim left on impale so you will only have downtime of maybe 1-2 seconds of impale before refreshing it

    sum-up: use as many 5cp FB's as you can and dont clip impale
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nynja View Post
    easy to compare these situations

    when the dmg of a 5cp final blow (even without impale) is higher than 4-5 seconds (dont forget serpent strike) of impale than its worth it

    normally whe have situations in which you would do a 5cp FB with 1-2 seconds downtim left on impale so you will only have downtime of maybe 1-2 seconds of impale before refreshing it

    sum-up: use as many 5cp FB's as you can and dont clip impale
    That's not how you compare them because if you did then you would never use Impale at all, 5 CP Final Blow always does more damage than 4-5 seconds of Impale.

    Per gcd Impale does ~50% more damage than Final Blow. So in a rotation of 5 combo points plus finisher you are looking at a break even situation when 2/3 of that rotation is after Impale drops. Impale ticks every 2 seconds so you get 3 ticks in that time. Which means you only achieve dps neutrality if you clip the last tick of Impale in the worst case scenario of Impale timing and you never actually gain dps doing it at least unless there are special circumstances in the fight that change the equation.

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    I think you misunderstood the way he meant it, gery.

    From how I understood nynja, he meant "if that FB deals more damage than what you would gain in impale uptime should you clip", which is not too bad a way to look at things (for instance, if you're gonna let impale down for 2 seconds, it's probably not as bad as if you let it down for 4 secs)

    Impale is, of course, our highest damage spell, and hence a priority refresh, but DoT clipping is tricky, and should, imho, be avoided if possible. I tend to pre-FB with 2-3 CPs to try and get the impale at 0 secs on my kalert x)

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