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    Default Rogue PVE DPS

    Whats a good DPS Rogue (non healer type)? I have a Ranger and kind of want something new?

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    All of the specs you need are on our Forum Brill...

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    I get my best DPS from Sabo honestly. Even stuff like 61 MM I can't seem to get more DPS with.

    And Melee has too much movement to get consistent DPS in Experts. No idea about Raids. Don't do Raids.

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    Pls check the guides section...

    however,

    all rogue specs are niche specs:

    61Ranger best range ST dps, no utility, aoe interrupt that consumes CP
    61MM decent ST and AOE DPS with lots of utility
    61 SIN, best ST melee DPS, no AOE, bad on DC's, no interrupt
    61NB, decent ST and AOE DPS, burst capability, no utility
    NB/SIN, decent ST and AOE DPS, long ramp-up, crit debuff, no interrupt
    61 BD, decent ST and burst AOE, interrupt, bad on DC'S
    Tacmen, decent AOE DPS on Range, interrupt, DPS buff
    Sab Specs, medicore ST DPS and best AOE DPS when mobs stacked, silence as utility

    The choice is yours..there is no THE DPS spec...
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    Why does it feel that 61MM / 61NB / 61 BD do the same thing except that NB is Melee, MM is Ranged and BD has disconnect issues?

    I think the disconnect issues is the hardest thing about Rogue. That's what makes me dislike Melee DPS specs and prefer MM/Sabo because of their general lack of disconnect and user friendliness.

    But I feel that Rogue is very "select the role for the encounter".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraust View Post

    I think the disconnect issues is the hardest thing about Rogue. That's what makes me dislike Melee DPS specs and prefer MM/Sabo because of their general lack of disconnect and user friendliness.

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    Thats the diference between good players and bad players. what a hard thing just press 2 macros all the time!!, going mele is harder(of course) but way more funny.

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    I raid mostly and i keep 61 mm, nb/sin, 61 nb, sab, tactman, bard, and rs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraust View Post
    Why does it feel that 61MM / 61NB / 61 BD do the same thing except that NB is Melee, MM is Ranged and BD has disconnect issues?

    I think the disconnect issues is the hardest thing about Rogue. That's what makes me dislike Melee DPS specs and prefer MM/Sabo because of their general lack of disconnect and user friendliness.

    But I feel that Rogue is very "select the role for the encounter".
    MM is horribly **** in DPS, it's 2nd worst ranged DPS spec in the game, which makes iot 2nd worst DPS spec overall. NB is over 10% ahead easily.

    I love to play multiple specs based on the encounter, way better than having 1 spec you have to do everything from for over a year (warriors in HK and ID).

    For melee, the damage is so much higher than at range to justify going melee, also it provides a nice challenge to the DPS which is by design a sequence of button which don't deviate in any situation.

    For specs and melee: if you have to break melee, it's from lethal mechanics, that's it. If the breaks are less than 3 seconds per minute, go 61 sin. If it's between 3 and roughly 8, go NB/sin or 61 NB. If it's greater, go 61 ranger. If pet can't stay alive due to mechanics instead of your skills on controlling on pet, go 61MM.

    There are 2 fights where I prefer 61RNG and MM, that's first 2 in GA. First boss can be melee'd, so can the 2nd, but purging is so stupid mechanic so I just ease it up with MM on 2nd anyways.
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    If you really have to pick only 1 spec, either pick 61NB or 61MM. they both can handle pretty much every fight (without worrying about mix/max or utility)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nynja View Post
    Pls check the guides section...

    however,

    all rogue specs are niche specs:

    61Ranger best range ST dps, no utility, aoe interrupt that consumes CP
    61MM decent ST and AOE DPS with lots of utility
    Makes no sense.

    Ranger has no utility -> interupt + armor reduction = utility.

    Ranger and marksmen both have compareable (terrible both,) aoe dps.

    outside pvp Markmanship has no utility that ranger doesnt have.

    Adding up to it it's around 4k dps behind in bis gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacria View Post
    Makes no sense.

    Ranger has no utility -> interupt + armor reduction = utility.

    Ranger and marksmen both have compareable (terrible both,) aoe dps.

    outside pvp Markmanship has no utility that ranger doesnt have.

    Adding up to it it's around 4k dps behind in bis gear.
    MM can purge which is useful on plenty of pve bosses. In the current instances those are mainly Progenitor, Kyzan and Goloch. MM also has knockback which is utility that ranger doesn't have, it's not particularly useful now but there is one fight in the upcoming Planebreaker Bastion where knockback is useful. MM is about 2k behind ranger in dps, not 4k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacria View Post
    Makes no sense.

    Ranger has no utility -> interupt + armor reduction = utility.

    Ranger and marksmen both have compareable (terrible both,) aoe dps.

    outside pvp Markmanship has no utility that ranger doesnt have.

    Adding up to it it's around 4k dps behind in bis gear.
    You are plane wrong...

    The Dps is only 1,5k- to 2k difference...

    Utility for me is sth like purge AND interrupt (and ofc interupt that does NOT hurt your DPS like in Ranger)

    They both have armor reduction, like many other callings too, nth special here...

    When you say MM has terrible AOE DPS you play MM wrong..your statement about the 4k DPS gap proofs my beliefs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacria View Post
    Makes no sense.
    Ranger and marksmen both have compareable (terrible both,) aoe dps.

    Adding up to it it's around 4k dps behind in bis gear.
    Not fair to call MM aoe Bad when the only good aoe spec for Rogues is Sabo and to a lesser extent BD and NB.
    *Purposely omitting Tac
    Last edited by Kraust; 09-06-2013 at 07:51 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kraust View Post
    Not fair to call MM aoe Bad when the only good aoe spec for Rogues is Sabo and to a lesser extent BD and NB.
    *Purposely omitting Tac
    Literally the only rogue specs MM beats at AoE are ranger and assassin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGrinnz View Post
    Literally the only rogue specs MM beats at AoE are ranger and assassin.
    This. And ranger is very close to mm in terms of aoe dps and miles behind both tac and sab.

    Also the guy replying back.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nynja View Post
    You are plane wrong...

    The Dps is only 1,5k- to 2k difference...

    Utility for me is sth like purge AND interrupt (and ofc interupt that does NOT hurt your DPS like in Ranger)

    They both have armor reduction, like many other callings too, nth special here...

    When you say MM has terrible AOE DPS you play MM wrong..your statement about the 4k DPS gap proofs my beliefs...
    Apparently I'm plane wrong (WROOOOM WROOOM) and his beliefs seem to be true.

    Marksmanship has the easiest rotation of all rogue specs and ranger has the hardest (not implying it's difficult to play ranger, but it's the most complex of all the rogue specs rotation which is about as complex as sweeping a floor.) So uh, okay guy.

    Also you're wrong, the dps difference is bigger (and even if going by your 2k dps difference that's HUGE:..:::::::..:: in it's own right and a reason not to go mm - ever. There are classes that can get interupts and purges at a lower dps loss if any at all.).
    Last edited by Sacria; 09-07-2013 at 05:38 PM.

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