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    Default Best Subsouls For 51MM?

    Hi guys, I've been playing around with the new changes trying to max out MM dps. Currently using this:

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...bhqtk.VLz.x.-0

    Is this the best spec for MM, or is the 51MM/6rng/9assa better?

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    Pretty sure + damage beats out + AP now as far as passive soul tree buffs go. Last I had heard people were parsing best with 15 RNG/0 RS as subsouls (Take the 0 RS for the teleport).
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    I tested a lot of different variations of 51 MM, and most of them were within 50dps of each others in 2 minute parses.

    51mm/15rng did seem to be consistently the highest.

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    5 NB 10 ranger with picking up pred instincts is the best

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    51 mm 10 nightblade 5 assassin does very well for me. 60% of my damage is from combo point builders.

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    after 2 hours on the dummies, I ended up parsing highest with 51MM/10nb/5rs - using the MM crystal the combo generators do great DPS. I haven't tried 5 assassin instead of RS yet, Ill give it a go instead and see what happens.

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    15rng/0anything is best.
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    Just tested these again, just to be sure. All the builds posted are about the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azarian View Post
    Just tested these again, just to be sure. All the builds posted are about the same.
    I found they were pretty close too, but settled on the 10NB/5RS build because even though the individual hits are a little less it makes dead-eye crits huge . . . I get a little grin on my face every time I see a 10K+ crit (R50 bow, but mostly HK gear otherwise) . . . and I knew that was the spec for me.

    Plus, if your raid is missing DPS checks after this patch, something else is seriously wrong . . . so it's not like plus or minus 50-100dps matters all that much.

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    15nb is also in the running. I think what it really comes down to is which is going to scale best in raid.

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    Might be worth factoring in which is better for AoE if their ST DPS is so close.
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    I prefer 10 Sin (Murderous Intent and Magnify Pain) and 5 NB (+10% AP/weapon damage).
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    Here are some numbers I came up with for the sub soul contributions.

    Edit: I will post these when they format nicely.

    Now I don't pretend to know what these all mean as I am a little confused by how % weapon damage works and whether the dex contribution to crit and AP has changed. Perhaps someone wiser than me can weigh in there. I think the NB points are likely better as % increase to builder than finisher.
    Last edited by Ashnon; 10-19-2012 at 12:04 PM. Reason: numbers all wonky looking
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    Well its not perfect but as close as I feel like getting.


    ............dex.. |crit ..|AP |Wep. Dmg |Damage .................................................. ...........|Gift
    15rng...... |0% |5% |5% |10% .......|0% |8%(physical),10%(all weapon based attacks) ....|15%
    10rng/5nb |0% |5% |15% |10% .....|8%(physical) .................................................. ......|15%
    8nb/7sin.. |0% |0% |10% |10% ......|2%(all), 10%(phys), 8%(builder or finisher, not both) |15%
    6rng/9sin. |0% |5% |5% .|0% .........|4%(all), 10%(physical) .........................................|15%
    10nb/5rs.. |0% |0% |20% |20% ......|10%(builder or finisher, not both) .........................|12.50%
    10nb/5bd. |10% |0% |10% |10% .....|10%(builder or finisher, not both) .........................|15%
    10rng/5bd |10% |5% |5% |0% ........|8%(physical) .................................................. ....|15%
    6rng/9nb.. |0% |5% |15% |10% ......|8%(builder or finisher, not both) ...........................|15%
    10sin/5nb. |0% |0% |10% |10% ......|5%(all), 10%(physical) .........................................|15%
    10nb/5sin. |0% |0% |10% |10% ......|10%(builder or finisher, not both), 10%(physical) ....|15%
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    Instead of 15Rng, what about 10Rng/5RS?

    Killing Focus increases weapon damage by 2% per pt.
    Unseen Fury (in RS) increases AP and weapon dmg by 2% per pt.

    In addition you can get the Endurance self-buff from the RS soul but you'd be giving up the Wolf pet.

    Thoughts? Maybe I'm not appreciating the pet enough but curious if this makes any sense, particularly for pvp.
    Last edited by Dezreth; 10-20-2012 at 04:55 AM.

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