Quick Question about Resonance in Raid

[TheGrinnz]

and in what way is not intentionally blocking resonance not anal warrioring?

Because one involves maintaining your own buffs and the other involves doing someone else's job.

EDIT: Though, to be fair the Bard tends to pull aggro a lot ;)

[Sculduggery]

the other involves doing someone else's job.

i think we can agree on that...

e.i. the bard having to compensate is own game play to make up for the poor choices that the warrior makes.

telling the bard that he has to recast the same spells because the warrior overwrote them is a great example of holding the warriors hand.

[MoonfireSpam]

and in what way is not intentionally blocking resonance not anal warrioring?

you're assuming the warrior even bothers to look at the motif timers instead of his own cooldowns.

I'd agree with your assertion that the warriors are being *****... IF they were purposefully trying to disrupt resonance.

But I really, really doubt it.

[Sculduggery]

I'd agree with your assertion that the warriors are being *****... IF they were purposefully trying to disrupt resonance.

I'm just going along with the theme of this topic in which it is portrayed that if it's not done correctly it is inherently intended to be doing it incorrectly.

[TheGrinnz]

i think we can agree on that...



telling the bard that he has to recast the same spells because the warrior overwrote them is a great example of holding the warriors hand.

Telling the bard he doesn't have to worry about Resonance because the warrior will watch it is a great example of doing the bard's job.

But I'm sure we can go on with this all night.

[arkz]

lol, the tank has the easiest job in the raid. nobody else gets to ignore mechanics and just stand there hitting the same target for the entire encounter.

sorry, but you're just wrong.

Please tell me about how you can tank ituziel, laethys or maelforge by just sitting there and ignoring mechanics. Face it, a tank mistake can easily wipe a raid, a bard mistake means almost nothing. If a tank misses a cooldown because he's too busy tracking tenacity, he's dead. If the bard has to spend 1 extra gcd to apply resonance, what happens? Nothing.

tenacity has to stay up long enough for resonance to be applied

Tenacity doesn't have to stay up at all (not even for 1 second) if you apply motifs properly. Cast tenacity after bravery and focus and there is no issue whatsoever.

If bravery and focus are up when tenacity is cast (which is always, if cast in the correct order), then Resonance is applied for 30 seconds even if the tank overwrites tenacity instantly.

Sorry but I don't really know how I can spell it out any clearer. It seems like you're asking the tank to do more work so you can slack and cast motifs in the wrong order or let motifs drop.

[Chrystania]

Tenacity doesn't have to stay up at all (not even for 1 second) if you apply motifs properly. Cast tenacity after bravery and focus and there is no issue whatsoever.

There is a huge problem with this: the sounds dictate the order the motifs should be cast. Listen to the motif sounds. There is one and only one order in which the sounds go together. The order should be grandeur, regeneration, tenacity, focus and last bravery. If you do it in any other order, the sounds are way off. Of course, this might simply be what we call crazy or insane barding .

[Sculduggery]

Please tell me about how you can tank ituziel, laethys or maelforge by just sitting there and ignoring mechanics.

omg you can name 3 fights out of DOZENS that differ from the normal formula where the only job for the tank is to engage and stand still while mashing the same buttons over and over. clerics dealing with dynamic damage in the raid, dps having to react to adds and ground mechanics, and support correctly keeping targets locked down for 5+ minutes is a lot more difficult than having to back peddle every now and then.

If bravery and focus are up when tenacity is cast (which is always, if cast in the correct order), then Resonance is applied for 30 seconds even if the tank overwrites tenacity instantly.

mechanics are going to dictate that you will never always be able to have bravery and focus up 100% of the time. i'm sorry. you're still wrong.

Cast tenacity after bravery and focus and there is no issue whatsoever ...The order should be grandeur, regeneration, tenacity, focus and last bravery.

i'm pretty sure that right now, neither one of us knows what you're talking about.

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[Pixel Monkey]

hmm
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im just the archon but i see whats going down and i think if our tank needs to use that skill then he better use it and he does and we win

[BoomBoom]

omg you can name 3 fights out of DOZENS that differ from the normal formula where the only job for the tank is to engage and stand still while mashing the same buttons over and over. clerics dealing with dynamic damage in the raid, dps having to react to adds and ground mechanics, and support correctly keeping targets locked down for 5+ minutes is a lot more difficult than having to back peddle every now and then.

Have you been to ID? Not trying to come across as an elitist, but seriously, there is 1 fight in ID where the tank just gets to stand in one spot, and mash buttons, and it's not even for the entire fight. And that would be last phase Warboss. Oh, easy mode Maklamos could be considered doing nothing too, I guess, cause tank swapping requires nothing but mashing of buttons.

mechanics are going to dictate that you will never always be able to have bravery and focus up 100% of the time. i'm sorry. you're still wrong.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but letting motif's drop off, at any time, is laughable. If you can't keep Resonance up 100% of the time, you're doing it wrong.

[Sculduggery]

Have you been to ID? Not trying to come across as an elitist, but seriously, there is 1 fight in ID where the tank just gets to stand in one spot, and mash buttons, and it's not even for the entire fight. And that would be last phase Warboss. Oh, easy mode Maklamos could be considered doing nothing too, I guess, cause tank swapping requires nothing but mashing of buttons.

i've downed warboss. honestly, the off tanks have a much harder time in this encounter for the entire fight than the main tank (and all they have to do is smash aoes at the right time). start to finish, the main tank does nothing but tank 3 different mobs where they stand. sometimes he might have to grab an add. dpsing warboss is much harder than main tanking it.

and the same sentiment comes out in this iteration of atrophinius where the raid has a much harder time than the tank. the tank has to pull the boss, stand still, and when he's done charging back and forth a few times, hit taunt. the rest of the raid has to worry about dowsing the ghosts, avoiding drunkards and raging battlemaster, killing casks, while not standing near each other.

sorry to burst your bubble, but tanking is not hard.

[Neonaraj]

No one commented or answered my other question. I said that I was under the influence that if you only cast Bravery, Focus, Tenacity, and even Grandeur pre pull you wont pull aggro? I thought it was Regeneration that got you killed?

[arkz]

mechanics are going to dictate that you will never always be able to have bravery and focus up 100% of the time. i'm sorry. you're still wrong.

If you let motifs drop, that's your mistake and your problem to fix, not the tanks. Also, if you cast motifs in the right order then even if they drop there is no issue. The order is bravery -> focus -> tenacity. Notice how both bravery & focus will be up before tenacity, thus instantly proccing resonance when tenacity is cast.

[Ymirson]

A dropped motif is bad, but happens (maybe). A dropped resonance is ****ty play and should never happen. Unless you die.

[Sculduggery]

No one commented or answered my other question. I said that I was under the influence that if you only cast Bravery, Focus, Tenacity, and even Grandeur pre pull you wont pull aggro? I thought it was Regeneration that got you killed?

Mirimon answered here:

Motiff pre pull can easily get ur bard killed, especially if the tanks are simply face pulling initially rather than using a threat ability, I see this happen often

some people still denied it, but mirimon is right and they are not