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    Soulwalker
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    Default 51 Assasin for PvE ?

    Topic name says everything.

    Lately i have been testing different 51 sin specs, for a better dps. I have been doing this because i enjoy sin 51 <3, since i started playing it has been my fav. spec. Right now im doing 51sin/12mm/3rs.

    I've parsed it various times, selfbuffed, with vials, whetstones, tablet. My gear is HK, with 2x molten br. as weapons. I've tried a couple of trinkets, i don't have golem inductor so i can't be precise on this, but my best parse was with cold heart (trinket drop from DH; might have been luck to keep the 5 stacks up for most of the time). My best parse is ( here i was using 51sin/10mm/5rs) :


    http://i41.tinypic.com/wwanh5.png

    The reason i'm posting this is because i would like to know if other people with better gear than me could have a better synergy with 51sin. I'm very curiose to know if golem inductor plays a bigger role on this spec.

    And i'm also looking forward to a discussion of how viable this spec is for people that like to change for a bit with bloodstalker and play around with 51sin ( as i mentioned at the start i like this spec). I know this won't parse higher than bloodstalker but its a fun to change a bit.

    I hope to see some other people testing 51 sin and comparing dps with other items.

    Cheers Redblue

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    I miss 51 sin myself. I played it almost exclusively to rank 8, except when goofing off in pvp. I leveled to 50 as max sin. Sadly I never play it anymore. I don't pvp anymore and pve there are much better options atm.

    I would love to see it useful in pve, let me know if you come up with something.

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    I still love 51sin, i just hope they would change serpent strike a bit so that it would apply ew, being able to break cp's at 5 would be awesome. or just change the cd's on poison malice as a bonus for going 51 points into 51 That would make 51 sin so more amazing .

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    I used it last week on vlad prime. 51 sin 15 mm. I started the fight probably 15-30 seconds late and was feared for full duration twice. Also, since I was just using my pvp spec, I had serpent strike proc sometimes when I already had 5 cps.

    With all those caveats, I parsed 2600. I think if I had gotten a better start, instead of slowly stealth walking up to him, it would have been 2.8k at least. The fears can't be avoided so they're simply a dps loss.

    Also I could have used slip away a few seconds earlier and gotten to use it a second time. We killed him before it was ready a second time, though.

    In the end, it's not very good for pve. It lacks mobility and if your impale, puncture, etc, fall off, it's a major dps loss. I want it to work because I think serpent strike is awesome, but it's just got too many liabilities for it to be useful for raiding.
    Last edited by Metallica11; 02-28-2012 at 08:58 AM.

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    51 assassin as a replacement loses too much dps when you compare it to a spec you should be using in fights amenable to more or less permanent melee range, i.e, Bloodstalker.

    Yes you gain Serpent Strike, but the cooldown limits its usefulness and there is very little that significantly impacts dps between 32 and 50 points in assassin. The synergy of Assassin with Riftstalker, however, is just too great to ignore.

    The advantage of 51 assassin is you get a no-brainer 2 button rotation where it's impossible to mess up. For me Bloodstalker is the most interesting spec we have due to having to manage a short-duration buff as well as the normal rotation and (for some) managing when to apply Final Blow to maintain Expose Weakness. Add to that the 2 other finishers that need to be used to maintain their effects and it makes for a more interesting fight.

    One of our rogues used a 51 assassin build on Sicaron and parsed about 4200 which is still about 5-600dps behind where I parse on Sicaron using Bloodstalker.

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    You are probably right there is no mobility in 51sin, i just find it fun, i like serpent strike. I never tried it on sicaron, but it might be a nice spec to use and pulll ok dps when you are tired of playing bloodstalker. Was on of the things i mentioned above. In anycase when i get the chance i'll try it myself on sicaron and hope for no contracts ;p. preety sure ill parse less than bs but just to have it for the record.

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    Would be nice to have a + Haste % and an AP buff % that would come with a 51 Sin spec and move Serpent Strike up the roots a bit.

    per say add 30% haste when in 51 Sin, and a 30% ( Static ) AP buff for full 51 assassin.. Would probably give us rogues the edge we need over other classes in pve and pvp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1st Lothorian View Post
    Would be nice to have a + Haste % and an AP buff % that would come with a 51 Sin spec and move Serpent Strike up the roots a bit.

    per say add 30% haste when in 51 Sin, and a 30% ( Static ) AP buff for full 51 assassin.. Would probably give us rogues the edge we need over other classes in pve and pvp.
    I really hate to sound like "that guy" but how the **** are you failing at pvp with 51 sin? After the switch to PA for infiltrator 51 sin is stupid amazing in pvp....

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    Maybe its not the spec....but the player? It's hard to say that without coming off as a ****** but some people just suck terribly at sin.
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