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    In the last few months in reading forum there seems to be a problem in rogues post. There seems a significant drop in rogues post. Why is that? Is there a reason why it has drop so much in the last few months?
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    Quote Originally Posted by youkiddingme View Post


    In the last few months in reading forum there seems to be a problem in rogues post. There seems a significant drop in rogues post. Why is that? Is there a reason why it has drop so much in the last few months?
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    In 1.5 there was a major rogue overhaul with lots of activity to figure out the new builds.

    In 1.6 there was a major rogue nerf with lots of activity objecting to it.

    In 1.7 there were (relatively) minor changes to two rogue souls, both of which were figured out quickly, and therefore little activity.

    In 1.8 there are major changes to one soul (Sab) to make it an AE specialist, which doesn't get most people excited, and the changes so far are underwhelming.

    So the overall trend has been "less stuff going on with rogues", consequently less forum activity.
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    Ok, thank you for response. It just seem that all rogue left rift for a much more friendly attitude toward hard core rogue players. As it to me seems that rogue are just a dead end and no use in playing any more. Thus, make sense about the patches not being excitable. That people are not posting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youkiddingme View Post


    In the last few months in reading forum there seems to be a problem in rogues post. There seems a significant drop in rogues post. Why is that? Is there a reason why it has drop so much in the last few months?
    The only use for these forums are for new people to see some of the top builds, or to vent frustration or anger at our dev.

    Once youve been around long enough, you realize that any good ideas you might think you have for the calling will go largely unheard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youkiddingme View Post


    In the last few months in reading forum there seems to be a problem in rogues post. There seems a significant drop in rogues post. Why is that? Is there a reason why it has drop so much in the last few months?
    All the rogues are out running around with Stones while they can still activate speed that would make the Flash green with envy.

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    Think several things listed above but also i think the Rogue community has become apathetic and has given up we can talk until we are blue in the face and yet we will get changes that make no sense and have little use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hejtmane View Post
    Think several things listed above but also i think the Rogue community has become apathetic and has given up we can talk until we are blue in the face and yet we will get changes that make no sense and have little use.
    Yeah ... build-up to 1.5 with successive nerfs of each build people discovered followed by the 1.6 nerf really discouraged the rogue community, and most people stopped participating in theorycrafting on the forums. There was even a boycott of the official forums leading up to 1.7, which is kinda silly considering that TRION can monitor everything that happens on the PTS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by youkiddingme View Post
    Ok, thank you for response. It just seem that all rogue left rift for a much more friendly attitude toward hard core rogue players. As it to me seems that rogue are just a dead end and no use in playing any more. Thus, make sense about the patches not being excitable. That people are not posting.
    Well rogues aren't in a bad spot really. For ST dps Sin-RS does well and MM has a lot of utility for pve. In PvP there are good melee and ranged specs.

    As for flag running getting nerfed, meh who cares. It was a cheap tactic to begin with so good riddance. Just because I had the opportunity to use the spec myself doesn't mean I'm upset to see it go. I like pvp, if I had my way they'd get rid of almost all objectives in warfronts that detract from the actual fighting. The battle of port scion is an example of everything that's wrong with pvp in this game (kill pve mobs for points over players in pvp, wtf!).

    There are bads crying about pve and pvp for rogues still, but they're the minority. Really we're about where we should be in all respects except for aoe.

    There still are many issues with the class:
    - BD still isn't a great aoe spec because the standard aoe is limited at 5 mobs, I'd like it to be standardized with warriors at hitting 8 mobs. Dancing steel has too long of a cooldown. The dances blade tempo and double coup could use a bit of a dps boost too... nothing huge, but something so your dps doesn't plummet like it currently does ST when those dances are up.
    - Ranger sucks... needs an energy talent and better ap scaling, right now is probably when it'll be at it's strongest, and it still sucks
    - Sab changes I haven't checked out... but from everything I've heard there's no reason to
    - Bard is still the same as always
    - RS had some slight buffs, no idea how they compare to other classes. I'm sure we'll hear about it though once the new raid zone comes and no one uses a RS tank or when all the RS tanks come and cry on the forums when things are tuned around using a warrior and they can't tank encounters (if there are any left)
    - MM is now behind ranged clerics in dps, so for ranged it's mages > clerics > rogues... but almost no one plays MM except for the armor debuff so no one cares
    - NB, still no reason to ever play it in pve

    Complaints about the class will come with the new raid zone once people see new mechanics. It will change the relative strength of all the builds so any strengths or weaknesses of the class will be more apparent. Right now you can get by in raids with Sin-RS, BD and MM and in pvp with MM... so there are options that do OK so there aren't a lot of complaints.
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    They did more changes to rogue since 1.5 than they did to all the other classes combined yet people still b***ch. To be fair sab is looking really good for pvp and I am guessing the dev is still working on improving sab since 1.8 won't be out for awhile. Maybe a month or so is my guess. That is a long time.

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    Cool, it was not a complaint. Just what the heck is going on statement? It was more a general why, than what type question. On the other hand that being said there has been a drop in MM DPS for about 400 points in mm. This is due to energy concerns and that really sucked and most raids trying to work around rogues that been running in my circle. A well played warrior can make up for the loss along with a Inquisition for purges. Bards well always sucked. But once a raid is geared not much use for them. As archon can pretty much make up for the loss or a bm in a pinch. Thus a more is the rogue community just saying “see you, would not want to be you” thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashmemory View Post
    They did more changes to rogue since 1.5 than they did to all the other classes combined yet people still b***ch. To be fair sab is looking really good for pvp and I am guessing the dev is still working on improving sab since 1.8 won't be out for awhile. Maybe a month or so is my guess. That is a long time.
    Number of changes is irrelevant, it's the quality of changes that matter. I'm sure it's more complicated to buff rogues since we have more dps souls then other classes so they can unintentionally create an OP spec, but the target they put on dps souls is consistently too low. They always seem to buff things on the conservative side so despite the buffs, no one uses the altered souls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashmemory View Post
    They did more changes to rogue since 1.5 than they did to all the other classes combined yet people still b***ch. To be fair sab is looking really good for pvp and I am guessing the dev is still working on improving sab since 1.8 won't be out for awhile. Maybe a month or so is my guess. That is a long time.
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    Think a lot of rogues have pretty much said "**** it" to the forums. Back in I think it was 1.5 testing, there was a bunch of builds that people posted on forums about and they got nerfed the next day. It happened multiple times too. No matter why it is done, that will make people angry. For me, if the Sabo fixes aren't good enough come 1.8, I'll be shelving my rogue. I'll play a mage or a warrior. With all the veterans vials and half birthday vials and whatnot, I could get one of my alts leveled and ranked pretty ******* fast I think.
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    Think of a 30 meter circle around all ranged dps rogues and mages. Ranged dps can stand in the back line and focus fire targets without worrying about mobility and most forms of cc.
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    Sounds like an excellent plan for your healers to follow as well, as they have an even longer range on their heals.

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    There just isn't much more to talk about. It's nothing but the same questions being asked over and over.

    What's good dps for me cus i have bad gear? MM or RNG -> Blink Blade -> Bloodstalker as your skill and gear increase.

    Should i use the ranger crystal or the MM crystal? Doesn't matter, stop using MM. Real answer is RNG T1, MM T2.

    Rogue tanking WTF? 51RS/8BD/7RNG or 51RS/8RNG/7Bard. If you have to ask, the high BD build is not for you. Yes stack dex.

    PvP blah blah blah? NB/RS and MM if you are bad, or inexperienced, or just don't care. If you are good enough at PvP to not use these builds, you are smart enough to make your own.

    Can you look at my build? No, look at the guide forum, your build sucks.

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