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    * Make Cadence either channelable while moving, or give it a 30M range. Make it affected by the MM increased range talent.

    * Make the heals from invigorated soul account for the normal healing cadence would do BEFORE valor. Not afterwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaros View Post
    * Make Cadence either channelable while moving, or give it a 30M range. Make it affected by the MM increased range talent.

    * Make the heals from invigorated soul account for the normal healing cadence would do BEFORE valor. Not afterwards.
    And reduce healing done while in guardian phase by 30%...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undrsiege View Post
    And reduce healing done while in guardian phase by 30%...
    It is, it reduces damage done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaros View Post
    It is, it reduces damage done.
    So every bard heal requires damage? I think not...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undrsiege View Post
    So every bard heal requires damage? I think not...
    Because Bards heal a lot lol.
    I get that you love trolling Rogues, but just screw off.
    Last edited by Zaros; 02-21-2012 at 07:04 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaros View Post
    Because Bards heal a lot lol.
    I get that you love trolling Rogues, but just screw off.
    To be correct it reduces healing on only 50% of the bard heals? This is fact and not a troll if you have some other facts you would like to present, please do...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undrsiege View Post
    To be correct it reduces healing on only 50% of the bard heals? This is fact and not a troll if you have some other facts you would like to present, please do...
    It actually only reduces healing on 33% of Bard heals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaros View Post
    It actually only reduces healing on 33% of Bard heals.
    Cadence - Reduced
    Coda Of Restoration - Reduced
    Motif of Regeneration - Not reduced
    Verse Of Vitality - Not Reduced

    So only 50%

    I would have added Motif Of Renewal but it is self cast only...

    I honestly do think your changes would work but not while in guardian phase. You have your opinon and I have mine and that is as simple as I can break it down to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undrsiege View Post
    Cadence - Reduced
    Coda Of Restoration - Reduced
    Motif of Regeneration - Not reduced
    Verse Of Vitality - Not Reduced

    So only 50%

    I would have added Motif Of Renewal but it is self cast only...

    I honestly do think your changes would work but not while in guardian phase. You have your opinon and I have mine and that is as simple as I can break it down to you.
    It doesn't reduce coda of restoration, because coda isn't based off of the damage on the target.
    I don't see why the changes wouldn't work in Guardian phase.
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    agree with the 30M range suggestion.... dont need any of the others, not counting the valor change as i dont pvp enough to notice a difference, moving channeled in dungeons/raids cadence would be OP

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    Quote Originally Posted by terran698 View Post
    agree with the 30M range suggestion.... dont need any of the others, not counting the valor change as i dont pvp enough to notice a difference, moving channeled in dungeons/raids cadence would be OP
    With the valor change, this is necessary for both chloros and bards. As it is, my Cadence heals for about 80.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaros View Post
    It doesn't reduce coda of restoration, because coda isn't based off of the damage on the target.
    I don't see why the changes wouldn't work in Guardian phase.
    So a bard needs to be in guardian phase to heal is what you are telling me? It isn't like it has a 15 second cooldown to switch phases... What I get from this is you want a tank spec healer that can heal from range... Okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undrsiege View Post
    So a bard needs to be in guardian phase to heal is what you are telling me? It isn't like it has a 15 second cooldown to switch phases... What I get from this is you want a tank spec healer that can heal from range... Okay.
    Yeah. It'd be like Clerics except it doesn't have defensive cooldowns or a cleanse. And it heals for astronomically less.

    Is that asking for too much?

    Keep in mind, the damage reduction from Guardian phase would still apply to Bards in Guardian Phase, I'd just like the valor damage redux removed.
    As it is, Bards in PVP are healing debuffed by 50%+30%+55%.

    We'd just be healing debuffed by 50%+30%.

    Again, I know you have quite the affinity for trolling, but seriously. You cannot honestly tell me that's overpowered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undrsiege View Post
    So a bard needs to be in guardian phase to heal is what you are telling me? It isn't like it has a 15 second cooldown to switch phases... What I get from this is you want a tank spec healer that can heal from range... Okay.
    if you aren't in Guardian phase then you have approx. 6.5k hp and mediocre heals. In Guardian phase i can get 10k hp with, meh heals. Mostly just being a meat shield. Chloros have consistently 9k+ hp w/ defensive cd's and better heals. I am not saying i think bards should = chloros but I do think that to be effective in PvP you need guardian phase up. So having cadence not being affected by the 30% dmg reduction would be great. Also, you really consider 20M to be ranged...everyone has a gap closer then your dead. 0-20m might as well be melee

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    This would be a welcome change, and as far as our other heals being reduced in Guardian Phase, really? You do know how much a bard heals for right? we aren't talking about Cleric heals that can save anyone, even if they listened to Zaros and made the change we still wouldn't be able to save anyone under direct focus fire, it would just make our heals not completely craptastic as all hell. For them to apply the penalty to all of our healing they would have to bump up said heals by a good bit, which in the end would be the same damn thing near about it.
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