Saboteur changes for 1.8

[mich]

Cooldown of Frag Bomb still stays at 15 sec.

And what about our energie regen ?

[batou079]

Soooo, how bout that Sab AoE?

lol our rogues were hitting 30k++ on HK mobs the other night.

I'd say sabs are MORE than useful again. hehe.

[DTM300]

Soooo, how bout that Sab AoE?

lol our rogues were hitting 30k++ on HK mobs the other night.

I'd say sabs are MORE than useful again. hehe.

Spiking up there? Highest I hit was 15k. No way to sustain it.

[Enaki]

Curious here:

Did Annihilation get changed from spike and blast being made AE to detonating all types of charges?

Does it still effect multiple targets with spike and blast? I don't remember if it still spreads them. Thanks.

That was definitely changed when Shrapnel Bomb was put in place.

[Vyxagallanxchi]

Curious here:

Did Annihilation get changed from spike and blast being made AE to detonating all types of charges?
Correct.

Does it still effect multiple targets with spike and blast? I don't remember if it still spreads them. Thanks. Do you mean if you have 5 blast charges on mob A and 5 blast charges on mob B that the bomb detonates all charges on both mob A and B when it goes off? If so, no, it does not. If what you meant is simply if Anni bomb spreads any charges, no it doesn't.

Hopefully I helped answer your questions. Kinda burned out from college stuff atm so my comprehension is kinda terrible at best.

[DTM300]

Hopefully I helped answer your questions. Kinda burned out from college stuff atm so my comprehension is kinda terrible at best.

That is what I was asking, yes.

Does frag?

So if I place 5 spike charges on 5 different targets that are close by, I have to frag one, tab, annihilate another, carpet bomb, and tab to each stack to detonate them?

Basically, even with pre-loading charges on mobs, is it pointless vs. just caltrop charging?

[Beckmann]

That is what I was asking, yes.

Does frag?

So if I place 5 spike charges on 5 different targets that are close by, I have to frag one, tab, annihilate another, carpet bomb, and tab to each stack to detonate them?

Basically, even with pre-loading charges on mobs, is it pointless vs. just caltrop charging?

Yes that Combined Arms functionality has been reverted.

[Coffande]

I have to say shrapnell bomb is pretty underwhelming.
I never got more than 0,5% - 1% DPS oput of it.

What's the point of this passive?

[Thoon]

I have to say shrapnell bomb is pretty underwhelming.
I never got more than 0,5% - 1% DPS oput of it.

What's the point of this passive?

If you're doing the standard sab rotations, you're never going to get higher than a 1pt Shrapnel bomb. If you were to use a different rotation where you put 5 combo points on a mob, then use frag bomb as a finisher, you'll see higher damage from it.

[Coffande]

If you're doing the standard sab rotations, you're never going to get higher than a 1pt Shrapnel bomb. If you were to use a different rotation where you put 5 combo points on a mob, then use frag bomb as a finisher, you'll see higher damage from it.

5CP Shrapnell Bomb hits for 150ish every 10 seconds. (in a typical AoE rotation)
Against 3 targets that's ~50ish DPS.
Since i pull about 7k DPS against 3 dummies, it pretty much is 0,5-1% of my DPS.

Does your shrapnell bomb hit for more?

[Beckmann]

Shrapnel Bomb is terrible. I have no idea why it was added to the game. Personally, I completely ignore it.

Edit: The only purpose it serves is to confuse Shrapnel Bomb & Shrapnel Charge.

[Mirimon]

Shrapnel bombs irl, are used by non Genaeva conforming entities, as it's soul purpose is to cause severe injuries and maiming of a large number of troops. The U.S. itself had devices and still has others similar to this: The "bouncing betty" which propels itself up to about torso level then detonates a circular fragmentating spread, launching shrapnel to all around. The M18 Claymore mine is still trained on and used. It essentially takes a package with c-4 layered at the back and covers that c-4 on one side with metal pellets, another crude and hastily made version of this is the improvide "grape shot" charge, which any sort of small metal bits like nails and such are stuffed onto the end. Even our grenades are designed for "shrapnel" in the common fragmentation grenade, which is different from a standard HE grenade.

in terms of AOE damage such as this IRl shrapnel does most of the work, and on rare occasions would you see something like a feul-air bomb (hm.. that would be a neat sab ability... or the sab summons a swarm of constructs (he gets the ingredients to make this happen by scrapping constucts) that run to his enemies then all detonate for a massive amount of damage)

sab is pretty decent in raiding, and having at least one is handy.

[Enaki]

Shrapnel Bomb is terrible. I have no idea why it was added to the game. Personally, I completely ignore it.

Edit: The only purpose it serves is to confuse Shrapnel Bomb & Shrapnel Charge.

I look at Shrapnel Bomb as a bonus, kind of like a weapon proc. The ability to explode charges with Frag and Anni is the real point of the abilities.

That said while it could be tweaked up a bit I think the bigger issue is that we have to spend a point per bomb for it. I'd rather roll the ability for both into Demolition Specialist and take the other point and have it set off an AE for any unexploded charges (and Time Bombs if we're really lucky) when a mob dies.

Massive DPS increase? Probably not, but it would be a nice Quality of Life change.

[Gynxz]

Shrapnel Bomb Is the Dev's way to Troll Zyzyx's by eliminating the only way sab could heal pre 1.8.