Saboteur changes for 1.8

[Zyzyx]

I'd like to throw this out there: Charges need to be uncleansable if you intend for Sab to be even borderline viable for PvP.

I'd like to throw this out there: Sab needs a way to heal itself if you intend for sab to be even borderline viable for solo PVE.

[Undrsiege]

I'd like to throw this out there: Sab needs a way to heal itself if you intend for sab to be even borderline viable for solo PVE.

I want to throw it out there that Daglar said "Not going to happen." All the issues with rogues and you waste effort on something that "you" have clearly been told was not going to happen...

Have fun.

[ShazzamCrucia]

I'd like to throw this out there: Sab needs a way to heal itself if you intend for sab to be even borderline viable for solo PVE.

broken record much? leeching+scavenger has worked fine for me for months now...

I haven't been on pts for the sab changes at all, and I realllllly hope we end up with sabo being the rogue SC/cab. Seems like they are moving in this direction somewhat. If the raid debuffs in sabo are being used as a reason to limit it's dps potential, they should just be scrapped imo.

[Beckmann]

Parsed with relic gear bag, exquisite whetstone x2, no PA. Results confirmed by parsing with fervor the [A] > [A] > [B] rotation for 51 / 10 sin / 5 rs.

51 / 10 Sin / 5 RS (no crystal)

Parsed:

Skill - Tooltip - Damage over 10x of rotation

Time Bomb - 828 - 81.8 (57% HE, 42% TB)
Frag Bomb - 882 - 80.8 (60% HE, 39% FB)
Chem Bomb - 994 - 41.7
Ca x5 > D - 446 - 173 (90% Ca, 9% D)
Sh x5 > D - 363 - 131 (89% Sh, 11% D)
Sp x5 > AB - 516 - 246 (68% Sp, 19% HE, 13% AB)
Bl x5 > AB - 396 - 225 (62% Bl, 23% HE, 15% AB)

By skill:

Skill - damage per usage

tb - 1.1452
fb - 1.0504
ab - 1.066
cb - 1.39
he - 1.5542
ca - 1.038
sh - 0.777267
sp - 1.1152
bl - 0.93
det - 1.557

Rotations: (DPS on three targets)

Rotation - DPS

Ca x5 > Det - 2.88333
Sh x5 > Det - 2.18333
Spike x5 > AB - 4.1
Blast x5 > AB - 3.75
TB > FB (clipped) - 5.6247

[A]: TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > AB > Bl - 3.62754
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Bl - 3.34764
Ca x5 > Det > Bl x5 > Det - 2.52858

[A] > [A] > [B] - 3.44094

51 / 10 Sin / 5 RS

Parsed:

Time Bomb - 936 - 89.1 (54% HE, 45% TB)
Frag Bomb - 993 - 81.2 (54% HE, 46% FB)
Chem Bomb - 1123 - 45.2
Ca x5 > D - 464 - 187 (93% Ca, 7% D)
Sh x5 > D - 363 - 149 (89% Sh, 11% D)
Sp x5 > AB - 516 - 284 (70% Sp, 15% HE, 15% AB)
Bl x5 > AB - 396 - 246 (68% Bl, 17% HE, 15% AB)

By skill:

tb - 1.3365
fb - 1.24507
ab - 1.42
cb - 1.50667
he - 1.6038
ca - 1.1594
sh - 0.884067
sp - 1.32533
bl - 1.1152
det - 1.309

Rotation:

Ca x5 > Det - 3.11667
Sh x5 > Det - 2.48333
Spike x5 > AB - 4.73333
Blast x5 > AB - 4.1
TB > FB (clipped) - 6.27804

[A]: TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > AB > Bl - 4.23313
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Bl - 3.68913
Ca x5 > Det > Bl x5 > Det - 2.7725

[A] > [A] > [B] - 3.87046

46 / 20 Sin / 0 RS

Time Bomb - 718 - 60.2 (59% HE, 41% TB)
Frag Bomb - 769 - 60.6 (58% HE, 41% FB)
Chem Bomb - 896 - 45.0
Ca x5 > D - 465 - 210 (93% Ca, 7% D)
Sh x5 > D - 350 - 182 (89% Sh, 11% D)
Sp x5 > AB - 517 - 290 (79% Sp, 10% HE, 11% AB)
Bl x5 > AB - 388 - 266 (62% Bl, 23% HE, 15% AB)

By skill:

tb - 0.822733
fb - 0.8282
ab - 1.06333
cb - 1.5
he - 1.18393
ca - 1.302
sh - 1.07987
sp - 1.52733
bl - 1.09947
det - 1.47

Rotation:

Ca x5 > Det - 3.5
Sh x5 > Det - 3.03333
Spike x5 > AB - 4.83333
Blast x5 > AB - 4.43333
TB > FB (clipped) - 4.25229

[A]: TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > AB > Bl - 4.02041
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Bl - 3.51041
Ca x5 > Det > Bl x5 > Det - 3.22233

[A] > [A] > [B] - 3.68041

[Beckmann]

Notes from above:

• First a parse note I meant to include -- to limit variables, I was parsing without Golem Inductor.
• 51 sab / 10 sin / 5 rs parses higher than 46 sab / 20 sin / 0 rs.
  • This isn't the optimal build necessarily, but just a 51 sab that I could parse with the fewest variables to worry about.
  • 46/20 does higher charge damage but much, much less on bombs & HE and loses out in AE as a result.
• The most recent PTS changes... (compared to http://forums.riftgame.com/rift-gene...ml#post3659896)
  • Spike > AB is doing 14% less damage.
  • Ca > Det is doing 10% less damage.
  • Chem Bomb's DPS is up 20% (matching extended duration).
  • Blast seems to be doing more damage, this could be noise or a parse error previously.
  • Shrapnel, TB, FB appear unchanged.
  • Detonate does not appear to be significantly changed from my testing.
• The crystal is a ~400 DPS gain on 3 targets.
• A pure charge rotation (Ca x5 > Det > Sh x5 > Det) is a significant DPS loss, even in 46/20.

Other thoughts...

• Energy issues are fixed relative to other rogue souls. Sab is not starved with fervor.
• 10-sec rotations still feel weird. Blast is only being used in the AE rotation because I can't find anything better to do. (It's not AE damage.)

ST theorycraft numbers will arrive soon.

[Beckmann]

Also, I think this is a bug, but Chemical Bomb doesn't appear to gain any DPS from 46 Sab -> 51 Sab. It should gain additional AP modifier from Trench Warfare.

[Beckmann]

I made a stupid mistake in the earlier numbers with calculating HE. Here is some improved data ... (only giving summary for now because I want to check tomorrow for other silly mistakes.)

51/10 sin/5 rs (no crystal)


TB > FB (clipped) - 6.79035
[A]: TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > AB > Bl - 3.86067
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Bl - 3.58077
[A] > [A] > [B] - 3.67407

51/10 sin/5 rs

TB > FB (clipped) - 7.4809
[A]: TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > AB > Bl - 4.4737
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Bl - 3.9297
[A] > [A] > [B] - 4.11103


46/20

TB > FB (clipped) - 5.14025
[A]: TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > AB > Bl - 4.198
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Bl - 3.688
[A] > [A] > [B] - 3.858

I'll do some more checks tomorrow, so take these now with a grain of salt.

[Durango]

Parsed with relic gear bag, exquisite whetstone x2, no PA. Results confirmed by parsing with fervor the [A] > [A] > [B] rotation for 51 / 10 sin / 5 rs.

51 / 10 Sin / 5 RS (no crystal)

[A] > [A] > [B] - 3.44094

51 / 10 Sin / 5 RS

[A] > [A] > [B] - 3.87046

46 / 20 Sin / 0 RS

[A] > [A] > [B] - 3.68041

So still completely uncompetitive. Oh, and for reference, warriors are doing 6K+ on 3 dummy targets in one of their highest DPS ST specs.

Sab still needs a roughly 2x DPS increase. It needs to be doing close to or slightly above 2K per target to be at all competitive. MM can currently do ~3.6 on 3 targets...

[Flashmemory]

Current soul DPS viability:

SC: 100%
Cab: 100%
Sab 0%

stop worrying about fluff that only you care about and is for a soul that is currently non-viable.

Sab can't dps!? News to me. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

[Beckmann]

So still completely uncompetitive. Oh, and for reference, warriors are doing 6K+ on 3 dummy targets in one of their highest DPS ST specs.

Sab still needs a roughly 2x DPS increase. It needs to be doing close to or slightly above 2K per target to be at all competitive. MM can currently do ~3.6 on 3 targets...

What's confusing me right now is 46/20 was parsing higher than this on the dummies before the last round of PTS changes. I am trying to figure out what's going on and why that would be. All I have so far is that Spike and Caltrop both appear to be doing less damage.

[Vyxagallanxchi]

What's confusing me right now is 46/20 was parsing higher than this on the dummies before the last round of PTS changes. I am trying to figure out what's going on and why that would be. All I have so far is that Spike and Caltrop both appear to be doing less damage.

Less damage with a 20% damage increasing talent... maybe that talent is broken?

[Beckmann]

Less damage with a 20% damage increasing talent... maybe that talent is broken?

That talent replaced a previous one that extended the duration by 50% and increased the total damage proportionally. So a 20% additive bonus is a significant nerf. At least that's my current reasoning.

[Beckmann]

I have discovered a couple minor mistakes in my calculations. This means that with all of my suggestions and the previous skill values the DPS in 46/20 should have been...

ST: Sp x3 > Det > Bl x2 > FB > Bl x3 > Det - 2.497

[A] TB > FB > CB > Ca x3 > Det > Sh x2 > Det
[B] TB > FB > CB > Ca x2 > Det > Sp x3 > AB

AE: [A] > [A] > [B] - 5.897

I'll be modifying my suggestions with new values from PTS right now and the corrected calculations to bring the ST DPS around 2.1k and the AE DPS around 6.2k.

[Beckmann]

Here are updated numbers for each set of data I have. The "speculation" section contains numbers and rotations if previous suggestions were implemented...

• CB is buffed 50%.
• FB has no CD.
• Charges load 2 charges and 2 CP per GCD.
• Spike charge is nerfed 20%.

Mathematica Code

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(* Helpers *)

print[ names_, vals_ ] := Map[ Print[ #[[1]], " - ", #[[2]] ] &, Transpose[ { names, vals } ] ]
section[ title_ ] := Block[ {}, Print[]; Print[ "
", title, "
" ]; ]
subsection[ title_ ] := Block[ {}, Print[]; Print[ "", title, "" ]; ]

(* Data *)

serratedAutoAttack = 192

(* 51 / 10 sin / 5 rs - no crystal *)

section [ "51 / 10 sin / 5 rs - no crystal" ]

tbParse = 81.8;
fbParse = 80.8;
cbParse = 41.7;
caDetParse = 173;
shDetParse = 131;
spAbParse = 246;
blAbParse = 225;

tbFrac = .42;
heFrac = .57;
fbFrac = .39;
caFrac = .9;
detFrac = .09;
shFrac = .89;
spFrac = .68;
abFrac = .13;
blFrac = .62;

nTargetsParsed = 3;

(* 51 / 10 sin / 5 rs *)

(* section[ "51 / 10 sin / 5 rs" ] *)

(* tbParse = 89.1; *)
(* fbParse = 81.2; *)
(* cbParse = 45.2; *)
(* caDetParse = 187; *)
(* shDetParse = 149; *)
(* spAbParse = 284; *)
(* blAbParse = 246; *)

(* tbFrac = .45; *)
(* heFrac = .54; *)
(* fbFrac = .46; *)
(* caFrac = .93; *)
(* detFrac = .07; *)
(* shFrac = .89; *)
(* spFrac = .70; *)
(* abFrac = .15; *)
(* blFrac = .68; *)

(* nTargetsParsed = 3; *)

(* 46 / 20 sin *)

(* section[ "46 / 20" ] *)

(* tbParse = 60.2; *)
(* fbParse = 60.6; *)
(* cbParse = 45.0; *)
(* caDetParse = 210; *)
(* shDetParse = 182; *)
(* spAbParse = 290; *)
(* blAbParse = 266; *)

(* tbFrac = .41; *)
(* heFrac = .59; *)
(* fbFrac = .41; *)
(* caFrac = .93; *)
(* detFrac = .07; *)
(* shFrac = .89; *)
(* spFrac = .79; *)
(* abFrac = .11; *)
(* blFrac = .62; *)

(* nTargetsParsed = 3; *)

(* 46 / 20 sin OLD *)

(* section[ "Old 46/20" ] *)

(* tbParse = 62.9; *)
(* fbParse = 61.4; *)
(* cbParse = 40.9 * 10 / 8; *)
(* caDetParse = 234; *)
(* shDetParse = 180; *)
(* spAbParse = 338; *)
(* blAbParse = 247; *)

(* tbFrac = .59; *)
(* heFrac = .41; *)
(* fbFrac = .57; *)
(* caFrac = .93; *)
(* detFrac = .07; *)
(* shFrac = .90; *)
(* spFrac = .82; *)
(* abFrac = .10; *)
(* blFrac = .74; *)

(* nTargetsParsed = 3; *)

(* Calculations *)

nTargets = 3;

tbD = tbParse * tbFrac;
heD = tbParse * heFrac;
fbD = fbParse * fbFrac;
cbD = cbParse;
caD = caDetParse * caFrac;
detD = caDetParse * detFrac;
shD = shDetParse * shFrac;
spD = spAbParse * spFrac;
abD = spAbParse * abFrac;
blD = blAbParse * blFrac;

{ tbD, fbD, abD, cbD, heD, caD, shD, spD, blD, detD } // N

tb = tbD / (nTargetsParsed * 10);
fb = fbD / (nTargetsParsed * 10);
ab = abD / (nTargetsParsed * 10);
cb = cbD / (nTargetsParsed * 10);
he = heD / (nTargetsParsed * 10);
ca = caD / (nTargetsParsed * 5 * 10);
sh = shD / (nTargetsParsed * 5 * 10);
sp = spD / (nTargetsParsed * 5 * 10);
bl = blD / (nTargetsParsed * 5 * 10);
det = detD / 10;
caDet = caDetParse / (nTargetsParsed * 6 * 10);
shDet = shDetParse / (nTargetsParsed * 6 * 10);
spAb = spAbParse / (nTargetsParsed * 6 * 10);
blAb = blAbParse / (nTargetsParsed * 6 * 10);

print[ { "tb", "fb", "ab", "cb", "he", "ca", "sh", "sp", "bl", "det" },
       { tb , fb, ab, cb, he, ca, sh, sp, bl, det } // N ];

heTick = he / 4;
cbTick = cb / 10;

tbFbClippedD = tb + fb + heTick * 6;
tbFbClipped = tbFbClippedD / 2;

print[ { "Ca x5 > Det", "Sh x5 > Det", "Spike x5 > AB", "Blast x5 > AB", "TB > FB (clipped)" },
       { caDet, shDet, spAb, blAb, tbFbClipped } * nTargets // N ];

subsection[ "10-second rotations" ]

subsection[ "AE" ]

tbFbCbSpAbBlD = (tbFbClippedD + cb + sp * 5 + ab) * nTargets + bl;
tbFbCbSpAbBl = tbFbCbSpAbBlD / 10;

tbFbCbCaDetBlD = (tbFbClippedD + cb + ca * 5) * nTargets + det + bl;
tbFbCbCaDetBl = tbFbCbCaDetBlD / 10;

fullD = 2 * tbFbCbCaDetBlD + tbFbCbSpAbBlD;
full = fullD / 30;

caDetShDetD = (ca * 5 + sh * 5) * nTargets + det * 2;
caDetShDet = caDetShDetD / 12;

print[ { "[A]: TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > AB > Bl", "[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Bl", "Ca x5 > Det > Bl x5 > Det", "[A] > [B] > [B]" },
       { tbFbCbSpAbBl, tbFbCbCaDetBl, caDetShDet, full } ];

subsection[ "ST" ]

tbFbCbSpDetBl = (tbFbClippedD + cb + sp * 5 + det + bl) / 10;
tbFbSpDetBl = (tbFbClippedD + sp * 5 + det + bl * 2) / 10;

print[ { "TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl", "TB > FB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl x2" },
       { tbFbCbSpDetBl, tbFbSpDetBl } ]

(* Old 15-second rotations *)

tbFbCbCaDetSpAbD = (tb + fb + heTick * 8 + cb + ca * 5 + sp * 5 + ab + heTick) * nTargets + det;
tbFbCbCaDetSpAb = tbFbCbCaDetSpAbD / 15;

tbFbCbCaDetShDetD = (tb + fb + heTick * 8 + cb + ca * 5 + sh * 5) * nTargets + 2 * det;
tbFbCbCaDetShDet = tbFbCbCaDetShDetD / 15;

full = (tbFbCbCaDetSpAbD + tbFbCbCaDetShDetD) / 30;

tbFbCbSpDetBlDet = (tb + fb + heTick * 8 + cb + sp * 5 + bl * 5 + 2 * det) / 15;

subsection[ "Old 15-sec rotations" ]

Print[ "[A]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Sp x5 > AB\n[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Sh x5 > Det" ]

print[ { "[A] > [B] > [B]", "TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl x5 > Det" }, { full, tbFbCbSpDetBlDet } ];

(* Speculative results if ...
   - Chemical bomb is buffed 50%
   - Charges load 2x at a time, up to 5
   - Frag bomb is spammable *)

subsection[ "Speculation" ]

cb = 1.5 * cb * 1.25
sp = .8 * sp

fbSpam = (fb + heTick) * nTargets

caDetD = ca * 5 * nTargets + det;
caDet = caDetD / 4

shDetD = sh * 5 * nTargets + det;
shDet = shDetD / 4

spAbD = (sp * 5 + ab) * nTargets;
spAb = spAbD / 4

print[ { "Ca x3 > D", "Sh x3 > Det", "Sp x3 > Ab" },
       { caDet, shDet, spAb } ];

(* Old, incorrect calculations for ten second rotations *)
(* tbFbCbCaDetSpAbD = (tbFbClippedD + cb + ca * 5 + sp * 5 + ab + heTick) * nTargets + det - ca; *)
(* tbFbCbCaDetShDetD = (tbFbClippedD + cb + ca * 5 + sh * 5) * nTargets + 2 * det - sh; *)

tbFbCbCaDetSpAbD = (tbFbClippedD + cb + ca * 4 + sp * 5 + ab) * nTargets + det;
tbFbCbCaDetSpAb = tbFbCbCaDetSpAbD / 10;

tbFbCbCaDetShDetD = (tbFbClippedD + cb + ca * 5 + sh * 4) * nTargets + 2 * det;
tbFbCbCaDetShDet = tbFbCbCaDetShDetD / 10;

full = (2 * tbFbCbCaDetShDetD + tbFbCbCaDetSpAbD) / 30;

subsection[ "AE" ]

print[ { "FB spam", "[A] TB > FB > CB > Ca x2 > Det > Sp x3 > Ab", "[B] TB > FB > CB > Ca x3 > Det > Sh x2 > Det", "[A] > [B] > [B]" },
       { fbSpam, tbFbCbCaDetSpAb, tbFbCbCaDetShDet, full } ];

(* Single target *)

spDetBlFbBlFbD = sp * 5 + bl * 9 + fb * 2 + heTick * 6 + det;
spDetBlFbBlFb = spDetBlFbBlFbD / 10;

spDetBlFbBlDetD = sp * 5 + bl * 9 + fb + heTick * 4 + det * 2;
spDetBlFbBlDet = spDetBlFbBlDetD / 10;

tbFbCbSpDetBlDet = (tb + fb + heTick * 6 + sp * 5 + bl * 4 + det * 2) / 10;

subsection[ "Single target" ]

(* print[ { "Sp x3 > Det > Bl x3 > FB > Bl x2 > FB", "Sp x3 > Det > Bl x2 > FB > Bl x3 > Det", "TB > FB > CB > Sp x3 > Det > Bl x2" }, *)
(*        { spDetBlFbBlFb, spDetBlFbBlDet, tbFbCbSpDetBlDet } ]; *)

print[ { "Sp x3 > Det > Bl x3 > FB > Bl x2 > FB", "Sp x3 > Det > Bl x2 > FB > Bl x3 > Det" },
       { spDetBlFbBlFb, spDetBlFbBlDet } ];

Old 46/20

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tb - 1.23703
fb - 1.1666
ab - 1.12667
cb - 1.70417
he - 0.859633
ca - 1.4508
sh - 1.08
sp - 1.84773
bl - 1.21853
det - 1.638
Ca x5 > Det - 3.9
Sh x5 > Det - 3.
Spike x5 > AB - 5.63333
Blast x5 > AB - 4.11667
TB > FB (clipped) - 5.53962

10-second rotations

AE
[A]: TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > AB > Bl - 4.85063
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Bl - 4.08103
Ca x5 > Det > Bl x5 > Det - 3.4365
[A] > [B] > [B] - 4.33756

ST
TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl - 1.74925
TB > FB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl x2 - 1.70068

Old 15-sec rotations
[A]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Sp x5 > AB
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Sh x5 > Det
[A] > [B] > [B] - 4.37804
TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl x5 > Det - 1.62896

Speculation
Ca x3 > D - 5.85
Sh x3 > Det - 4.4595
Sp x3 > Ab - 6.3882

AE
FB spam - 4.14453
[A] TB > FB > CB > Ca x2 > Det > Sp x3 > Ab - 6.52656
[B] TB > FB > CB > Ca x3 > Det > Sh x2 > Det - 5.86632
[A] > [B] > [B] - 6.0864

Single target
Sp x3 > Det > Bl x3 > FB > Bl x2 > FB - 2.36184
Sp x3 > Det > Bl x2 > FB > Bl x3 > Det - 2.366

46 / 20

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tb - 0.822733
fb - 0.8282
ab - 1.06333
cb - 1.5
he - 1.18393
ca - 1.302
sh - 1.07987
sp - 1.52733
bl - 1.09947
det - 1.47
Ca x5 > Det - 3.5
Sh x5 > Det - 3.03333
Spike x5 > AB - 4.83333
Blast x5 > AB - 4.43333
TB > FB (clipped) - 5.14025

10-second rotations

AE
[A]: TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > AB > Bl - 4.198
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Bl - 3.688
Ca x5 > Det > Bl x5 > Det - 3.22233
[A] > [B] > [B] - 3.858

ST
TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl - 1.5133
TB > FB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl x2 - 1.47324

Old 15-sec rotations
[A]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Sp x5 > AB
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Sh x5 > Det
[A] > [B] > [B] - 3.99229
TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl x5 > Det - 1.43952

Speculation
Ca x3 > D - 5.25
Sh x3 > Det - 4.417
Sp x3 > Ab - 5.3795

AE
FB spam - 3.37255
[A] TB > FB > CB > Ca x2 > Det > Sp x3 > Ab - 5.733
[B] TB > FB > CB > Ca x3 > Det > Sh x2 > Det - 5.41464
[A] > [B] > [B] - 5.52076

Single target
Sp x3 > Det > Bl x3 > FB > Bl x2 > FB - 2.09068
Sp x3 > Det > Bl x2 > FB > Bl x3 > Det - 2.09567

51 / 10 sin / 5 rs

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tb - 1.3365
fb - 1.24507
ab - 1.42
cb - 1.50667
he - 1.6038
ca - 1.1594
sh - 0.884067
sp - 1.32533
bl - 1.1152
det - 1.309
Ca x5 > Det - 3.11667
Sh x5 > Det - 2.48333
Spike x5 > AB - 4.73333
Blast x5 > AB - 4.1
TB > FB (clipped) - 7.4809

10-second rotations

AE
[A]: TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > AB > Bl - 4.4737
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Bl - 3.9297
Ca x5 > Det > Bl x5 > Det - 2.7725
[A] > [B] > [B] - 4.11103

ST
TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl - 1.55448
TB > FB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl x2 - 1.51533

Old 15-sec rotations
[A]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Sp x5 > AB
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Sh x5 > Det
[A] > [B] > [B] - 4.03626
TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl x5 > Det - 1.47443

Speculation
Ca x3 > D - 4.675
Sh x3 > Det - 3.6425
Sp x3 > Ab - 5.041

AE
FB spam - 4.93805
[A] TB > FB > CB > Ca x2 > Det > Sp x3 > Ab - 5.88226
[B] TB > FB > CB > Ca x3 > Det > Sh x2 > Det - 5.40546
[A] > [B] > [B] - 5.56439

Single target
Sp x3 > Det > Bl x3 > FB > Bl x2 > FB - 2.1543
Sp x3 > Det > Bl x2 > FB > Bl x3 > Det - 2.0805

51 / 10 sin / 5 rs - no crystal

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tb - 1.1452
fb - 1.0504
ab - 1.066
cb - 1.39
he - 1.5542
ca - 1.038
sh - 0.777267
sp - 1.1152
bl - 0.93
det - 1.557
Ca x5 > Det - 2.88333
Sh x5 > Det - 2.18333
Spike x5 > AB - 4.1
Blast x5 > AB - 3.75
TB > FB (clipped) - 6.79035

10-second rotations

AE
[A]: TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > AB > Bl - 3.86067
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Bl - 3.58077
Ca x5 > Det > Bl x5 > Det - 2.52858
[A] > [B] > [B] - 3.67407

ST
TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl - 1.39799
TB > FB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl x2 - 1.35199

Old 15-sec rotations
[A]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Sp x5 > AB
[B]: TB > FB > CB > Ca x5 > Det > Sh x5 > Det
[A] > [B] > [B] - 3.62419
TB > FB > CB > Sp x5 > Det > Bl x5 > Det - 1.3356

Speculation
Ca x3 > D - 4.28175
Sh x3 > Det - 3.304
Sp x3 > Ab - 4.1451

AE
FB spam - 4.31685
[A] TB > FB > CB > Ca x2 > Det > Sp x3 > Ab - 5.19929
[B] TB > FB > CB > Ca x3 > Det > Sh x2 > Det - 4.94107
[A] > [B] > [B] - 5.02714

Single target
Sp x3 > Det > Bl x3 > FB > Bl x2 > FB - 1.88199
Sp x3 > Det > Bl x2 > FB > Bl x3 > Det - 1.85494

Serrated Blades / Auto attack

Spoiler!

By the way, I left this parsing for like 20 minutes...

Serrated Blades & Auto attack - 192 DPS

Summary

Rotation	Old 46/20	46/20	51 / 10sin / 5rs	51 / 10sin / 5rs
AE	4.33	3.86	4.11	3.67
ST	1.75	1.51	1.55	1.39
Old 15-sec AE	4.37	3.99	4.03	3.62
Old 15-sec ST	1.62	1.44	1.47	1.33
Speculative AE	6.08	5.52	5.56	5.03
Speculative ST	2.37	2.09	2.15	1.88

[Beckmann]

These changes appear to have been a nerf in both AE and ST. The difference between the old 15-sec rotation and the new 10-sec rotation is minimal, so the nerf seems to come from reduced damage of Spike and Caltrop compared to their old 15-sec versions.

51 sab / 10 sin / 5 rs appears to outperform 46 sab / 20 sin, although they are fairly close. Both specs get Serrated Blades so they should keep the same difference in ST.

The changes I have proposed no longer bring the DPS up to where it needs to be. The ST DPS is perhaps reasonable (considering relic bag isn't BiS and it doesn't include Serrated Blades). I'll be working on tweaks to address this.