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    Hello fellow rogues I have a few questions for those of you who are in the mood to entertain.
    I stopped playing rift roughly near the end of Sept, 1.5 Had come out and I was overall pretty satisfied with the changes that had happened to rogues, Since then however I have some questions regarding our current state and overall the games? Has it changed by much? I know that is a very vague question and my best bet would be to read the patch notes, however I am more interested in hearing the actual changes and feedback from the public in regards to what really has changed in RIFT since I've last played.

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    1.5 Hit and everyone was happy.

    Then, hotfixes started and we got nerfed a bunch.

    1.6 Nerfed us more.

    1.7 Removed a bug that lowered our damage. now a weird blink spec is our top single target dps spec and we are 2nd in dps only to mages

    Our aoe is terrible ,but is getting looked at for 1.8.

    EDIT: clarification
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyzyx View Post
    1.5 hit and everyone was happy

    then hotfixes started and we got nerfed a bunch

    1.6 nerfed us more

    1.7 found bugs that lowered our damage now a weird blink spec is our top single target dps spec and we are 2nd in dps only to mages

    our aoe is terrible ,but is getting looked at for 1.8
    1.7 increased our damage, not lowered

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretchme View Post
    Hello fellow rogues I have a few questions for those of you who are in the mood to entertain.
    I stopped playing rift roughly near the end of Sept, 1.5 Had come out and I was overall pretty satisfied with the changes that had happened to rogues, Since then however I have some questions regarding our current state and overall the games? Has it changed by much? I know that is a very vague question and my best bet would be to read the patch notes, however I am more interested in hearing the actual changes and feedback from the public in regards to what really has changed in RIFT since I've last played.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Am0n View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyzyx View Post
    1.5 Hit and everyone was happy.

    Then, hotfixes started and we got nerfed a bunch.

    1.6 Nerfed us more.

    1.7 Removed a bug that lowered our damage. now a weird blink spec is our top single target dps spec and we are 2nd in dps only to mages

    Our aoe is terrible ,but is getting looked at for 1.8.

    EDIT: clarification
    I Thought you were a good rogue. But some of those statements are pretty silly. Our AE isn't terrible for one, and 1.7 didn't nerf damage. AE is fine in the right spec, which you can use in ID if needed.

    Sorry to say, but people always crying omg we got nerfed is the ones that give us a bad name. How about working with what you got. Then showing actual numbers etc to show that said changes hurt more than it should have etc. Just crying on here everyday gets you no where my friend. And to be frank i'm tired of all the QQ on these boards. If only people could grow up a bit, we would all be in a better place.
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    Can anyone give me some advice on a good solo pve build (Soloing Chronicles) There used to be one with RS/BD that would allow me to mass pull etc..
    Also are NB's still OP like they were back in 1.5? Or has alot of things changed in terms of pvp specs.. Suppose I should take a look at the guide section but... Id rather have actual responses then just go through a list of guides

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretchme View Post
    Can anyone give me some advice on a good solo pve build (Soloing Chronicles) There used to be one with RS/BD that would allow me to mass pull etc..
    Also are NB's still OP like they were back in 1.5? Or has alot of things changed in terms of pvp specs.. Suppose I should take a look at the guide section but... Id rather have actual responses then just go through a list of guides
    The Sin/BD/RS spec is excellent for soloing. In Zyzyx's signature is a link that has the point spread unless you want to have a wack at it.

    Sin/RS or NB/RS are great for PVP when you are starting out. Marksman once you get a synergy crystal can give you more bang for your buck but it really comes down to playstyle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceking View Post
    I Thought you were a good rogue. But some of those statements are pretty silly. Our AE isn't terrible for one, and 1.7 didn't nerf damage. AE is fine in the right spec, which you can use in ID if needed.

    Sorry to say, but people always crying omg we got nerfed is the ones that give us a bad name. How about working with what you got. Then showing actual numbers etc to show that said changes hurt more than it should have etc. Just crying on here everyday gets you no where my friend. And to be frank i'm tired of all the QQ on these boards. If only people could grow up a bit, we would all be in a better place.
    Your reading comprehension is slightly off.

    1.7 Removed a bug that lowered our damage. There was a bug, it lowered our damage....it was removed.

    Our AoE is still dead last in classes. That alone constitutes it as bad. It still isn't even close. His statements are for the most part accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakkin View Post
    Your reading comprehension is slightly off.

    1.7 Removed a bug that lowered our damage. There was a bug, it lowered our damage....it was removed.

    Our AoE is still dead last in classes. That alone constitutes it as bad. It still isn't even close. His statements are for the most part accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lakkin View Post
    Your reading comprehension is slightly off.

    1.7 Removed a bug that lowered our damage. There was a bug, it lowered our damage....it was removed.

    Our AoE is still dead last in classes. That alone constitutes it as bad. It still isn't even close. His statements are for the most part accurate.
    Ok, maybe your ae sucks, But if you use the right spec, Our AE is actually pretty damn good. And competes with Mage and Warrior. Gonna guess you never tried to play around with specs and see what is best for certain situations. But hey what do I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceking View Post
    Ok, maybe your ae sucks, But if you use the right spec, Our AE is actually pretty damn good. And competes with Mage and Warrior. Gonna guess you never tried to play around with specs and see what is best for certain situations. But hey what do I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretchme View Post
    Can anyone give me some advice on a good solo pve build (Soloing Chronicles) There used to be one with RS/BD that would allow me to mass pull etc..
    Also are NB's still OP like they were back in 1.5? Or has alot of things changed in terms of pvp specs.. Suppose I should take a look at the guide section but... Id rather have actual responses then just go through a list of guides
    I use this for soloing/chronicles.... also makes short work of invasions. 21 Riftstalker / 26 Assassin / 19 Bladedancer
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomBoom View Post
    ^This

    When aoe is called for, i'm right up there pushing for #1 on the epeen meters, and in a ranged spec!
    Not saying that I don't believe that you are saying that you are at the top of your raids meters on AoE portions.

    What I am wondering is how high are your other classes parsing? I have seen some lolcab parses of 14k+ on trash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceking View Post
    Ok, maybe your ae sucks, But if you use the right spec, Our AE is actually pretty damn good. And competes with Mage and Warrior. Gonna guess you never tried to play around with specs and see what is best for certain situations. But hey what do I know.
    ^This. MY AoE is F-ing excellent, if yours is not then you should adjust your specs. Marksman AoE is garbage, and Bloodstalker AoE is non existant, but rogue AoE is fine.

    And as to the "second to mages" comment, i have yet to be out DPSed by a mage. Either your mages are incredible, or you are parsing less than what you could be. I am not saying a mage can't out DPS a rogue, i am just saying they would have to be really extraordinary, rogue Single Target DPS is very good right now.
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