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    Default Rogues, wth is you top dps roles

    I understand different fights = different roles, but im at a loss to figure out what exactly is you best dps overall.
    MM builds are easy to find and practically litter this forum with the same builds and rotations. But melee classes are all accient.

    Is there different melee builds for different fights? have the builds not changes since 1.6? if thats the case that kinda answers why there is so little info and why the search bar finds nothing to note in recent times.

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    There's a ton of guides to different melee builds in the guides subforum.

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    murdantix - assasin/rs
    matron - assasin/rs (or mm/ranger if your guild still clicks books)
    sicaron - assasin/rs
    King - mm/ranger
    estrode - mm/ranger / 46sab / 49nb / 51bd (depends what ur guild wants you to do tbh)
    Zilas - mm/ranger
    grugonim - 49 nightblade (I havn't tested this personally. I always just do mm)
    Inquis - assasin/rs or mm/ranger (depends on guild again)
    inwar - assasin/rs or mm/ranger (depends on guild again)
    akylios - mm/ranger (I'll try blade dancer next week. That build shows promise.)

    I've also been using the ranger synergy crystal in 51mm/15ranger. Not because it does more dps ,but because I'm lazy and it beats out the nb/10 ranger 2 button specs. Downside is that if the cloro/bard die I'm super energy starved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyzyx View Post
    murdantix - assasin/rs
    matron - assasin/rs (or mm/ranger if your guild still clicks books)
    sicaron - assasin/rs
    King - mm/ranger
    estrode - mm/ranger / 46sab / 49nb / 51bd (depends what ur guild wants you to do tbh)
    Zilas - mm/ranger
    grugonim - 49 nightblade (I havn't tested this personally. I always just do mm)
    Inquis - assasin/rs or mm/ranger (depends on guild again)
    inwar - assasin/rs or mm/ranger (depends on guild again)
    akylios - mm/ranger (I'll try blade dancer next week. That build shows promise.)

    I've also been using the ranger synergy crystal in 51mm/15ranger. Not because it does more dps ,but because I'm lazy and it beats out the nb/10 ranger 2 button specs. Downside is that if the cloro/bard die I'm super energy starved.

    Hmm tbh A few of those are wrong. I Can do more dps in other specs on at least 4-5 of those Fights.

    1 Example is BD on Matron. Right CD = yummee parse. Tried it this week ended with over 4K dps I believe. Another is Akylios. NB and BD both OUT dps MM. If played right off course.

    Much of this is dependent on gear Off course too. I Try different specs almost every week to see what is best for what situation like our other rogues.

    Actually scratch that, just looked at your stuff again. There is only 2 clear winner for all the ones you posted. Sicaron off Course and Inquis. The rest is up in the air. Depending on various factors. And For me personally I do more dps in different specs than all of those posted lol. im sure others do the same. NB and BD are better than most think, depending on the fight off course, and the strat your guild does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceking View Post
    Another is Akylios. NB and BD both OUT dps MM. If played right off course.
    No they don't not really. Your AoE contribution on those fights is meaningless number padding. Yes, it really is. You do more effective DPS as MM on that fight than you do in either NB or BD. MM is by far the best role for stingers and given the mechanics of the fight, best DPS on stingers = best DPS in fight. Esp since they nerfed stinger health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango View Post
    No they don't not really. Your AoE contribution on those fights is meaningless number padding. Yes, it really is. You do more effective DPS as MM on that fight than you do in either NB or BD. MM is by far the best role for stingers and given the mechanics of the fight, best DPS on stingers = best DPS in fight. Esp since they nerfed stinger health.
    OK? I guess your guild puts all your rogues on Stingers. Then maybe yes. We don't. We have 2-3 rogues in melee. So then NB, actually does more ST damage than MM. If you know how NB works. Plus when you cleave Jorn and Akylios later on you do way more damage than MM. Not to mention the extra damage when they, + Adds + anything you attack get below 30%.

    NB is very powerful for this fight. And does more ST than any other spec you can use on this fight. For me and the other melee rogues. Not to mention phase 1, we barely need to AE anymore we push to Phase 2 in 1 Add phase, so I would hardly call that AE padding.
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    Murdantix = BS
    Matron = BS
    Sicaron = BS
    Zilas = BS
    Vlad = BS
    Grug = BS
    RKM = BS, MM if you don't have enough mages
    Estrode = Whatever
    Inquis = BS
    Inwar = BS
    Akylios = MM

    No need to AoE on matron. Either warriors will do it, or you use no tomes.

    Zilas = Burn Zilas down, maybe switch to magus if needed.

    Grug = Timers work perfectly for BS. No need to AoE, Warriors have it covered.


    I think those are all that need explaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceking View Post
    OK? I guess your guild puts all your rogues on Stingers. Then maybe yes. We don't. We have 2-3 rogues in melee. So then NB, actually does more ST damage than MM. If you know how NB works. Plus when you cleave Jorn and Akylios later on you do way more damage than MM. Not to mention the extra damage when they, + Adds + anything you attack get below 30%.

    NB is very powerful for this fight. And does more ST than any other spec you can use on this fight. For me and the other melee rogues. Not to mention phase 1, we barely need to AE anymore we push to Phase 2 in 1 Add phase, so I would hardly call that AE padding.
    MM on stinger still do more effective DPS than anyone in melee, even if they are cleaving. You you have factor in the multiplicative effect of the stingers in that fight. ST on stingers ~= cleaving both stinger and Aky at full ST dps. Aka, for 3/4 of the fight, the effective DPS for MM is >2x the meter DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Durango View Post
    MM on stinger still do more effective DPS than anyone in melee, even if they are cleaving. You you have factor in the multiplicative effect of the stingers in that fight. ST on stingers ~= cleaving both stinger and Aky at full ST dps. Aka, for 3/4 of the fight, the effective DPS for MM is >2x the meter DPS.
    If there is enough dps on the stingers already then it serves no benefit to assign more people to them. You don't increase the raid dps at all by killing them a tiny bit faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koe View Post
    Murdantix = BS
    Matron = BS
    Sicaron = BS
    Zilas = BS
    Vlad = BS
    Grug = BS
    RKM = BS, MM if you don't have enough mages
    Estrode = Whatever
    Inquis = BS
    Inwar = BS
    Akylios = MM

    No need to AoE on matron. Either warriors will do it, or you use no tomes.

    Zilas = Burn Zilas down, maybe switch to magus if needed.

    Grug = Timers work perfectly for BS. No need to AoE, Warriors have it covered.


    I think those are all that need explaining.
    Here's what I'd choose to play if I had unlimited roles:

    Murdantix = BS
    Matron = BD
    Sicaron = BS
    Zilas = MM
    Vlad = BS
    Grug = NB
    RKM = MM
    Estrode = Whatever
    Inquis = BS
    Inwar = MM
    Akylios = MM or BD

    The only ones that there are clear cut winners are:

    Murdantix = BS
    Matron = BD
    Sicaron = BS
    RKM = MM
    Vlad = BS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayi View Post
    Here's what I'd choose to play if I had unlimited roles:

    Murdantix = BS
    Matron = BD
    Sicaron = BS
    Zilas = MM
    Vlad = BS
    Grug = NB
    RKM = MM
    Estrode = Whatever
    Inquis = BS
    Inwar = MM
    Akylios = MM or BD

    The only ones that there are clear cut winners are:

    Murdantix = BS
    Matron = BD
    Sicaron = BS
    RKM = MM
    Vlad = BS
    Only thing i would change is i run NB on Inwar, and it can put up pretty good numbers. And after running it this week i really think BD is clearly the top DPS spec for Akylios.
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    Do you use Splinter Shot when using Ranger Crystal?

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    Stick to your Warrior BM build, Easb. We suck....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cossack View Post
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    Do you use Splinter Shot when using Ranger Crystal?
    ya new stuff up in the guide lots of changes made last night

    when I use ranger crystal I do 51/15 check it out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gyle View Post
    i really think BD is clearly the top DPS spec for Akylios.
    As opposed to killing Stingers which adds unparsed damage that is way more than Bladedancer.
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    A rogue can top the parse on every boss in HK if they use the right spec, and it's been that way for months.

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