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    Rogues should be the top dps in short burst damage situations, but not in fights that last long. I dont' know why this doesn't get brought up more (the dps in relation to length of a fight)

    One example I see often is that MM's with fan out have the highest dps for AOE in short fights with limited amounts of mobs. If the fight runs longer or has more mobs, then clerics and mages fair better with AOE.

    Warriors should have top single target dps in sustained fights. (though BD should be close in this case)

    Mages should have top single target ranged DPS in sustained fights. (We should be close in this case with ranger.)

    We shouldn't have the highest sustained dps for long fights, it just doesn't make sense to the calling, and it disenfranchises the other callings when we do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isz View Post
    Rogues should be the top dps in short burst damage situations, but not in fights that last long. I dont' know why this doesn't get brought up more (the dps in relation to length of a fight)

    One example I see often is that MM's with fan out have the highest dps for AOE in short fights with limited amounts of mobs. If the fight runs longer or has more mobs, then clerics and mages fair better with AOE.

    Warriors should have top single target dps in sustained fights. (though BD should be close in this case)

    Mages should have top single target ranged DPS in sustained fights. (We should be close in this case with ranger.)

    We shouldn't have the highest sustained dps for long fights, it just doesn't make sense to the calling, and it disenfranchises the other callings when we do.
    What boss fights are short duration burst fights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isz View Post
    Rogues should be the top dps in short burst damage situations, but not in fights that last long. I dont' know why this doesn't get brought up more (the dps in relation to length of a fight)

    One example I see often is that MM's with fan out have the highest dps for AOE in short fights with limited amounts of mobs. If the fight runs longer or has more mobs, then clerics and mages fair better with AOE.

    Warriors should have top single target dps in sustained fights. (though BD should be close in this case)

    Mages should have top single target ranged DPS in sustained fights. (We should be close in this case with ranger.)

    We shouldn't have the highest sustained dps for long fights, it just doesn't make sense to the calling, and it disenfranchises the other callings when we do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammothtruk View Post
    What boss fights are short duration burst fights?
    the whole calling is balanced around boss fights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isz View Post
    the whole calling is balanced around boss fights?
    For the purposes of balancing DPS -- which, btw, isn't based on "Burst", but sustained damage -- Yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mammothtruk View Post
    What boss fights are short duration burst fights?
    Depending on your role: RKM , inquis, Zilas, Akylios. I could argue matron, but blah who cares. And darktide is barely a boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt55511 View Post
    For the purposes of balancing DPS -- which, btw, isn't based on "Burst", but sustained damage -- Yeah.
    I think thats just the way you'd like to look at it.

    If we have sustained top single target dps in either ranged or melee then we completely disenfranchise the other callings. The rogue calling in general just screams burst and stealth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebb View Post
    Depending on your role: RKM , inquis, Zilas, Akylios. I could argue matron, but blah who cares. And darktide is barely a boss.
    Darktide is an encounter. IMO, it was the most interesting fight in HK, simply due to how massive it was. ;P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isz View Post
    I think thats just the way you'd like to look at it.

    If we have sustained top single target dps in either ranged or melee then we completely disenfranchise the other callings. The rogue calling in general just screams burst and stealth.
    I'm also betting under your definition rogues do not scream tanking or bard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt55511 View Post
    I'm also betting under your definition rogues do not scream tanking or bard.

    This is Rift, not WoW.
    We are talking about DPS here.

    The bard and mitigation style tank are both really cool ways to look at a rogue, and broaden it.

    In the realm of pure DPS i stand by the idea that we should only really top everyone else on burst, sustained is what makes being a mage or warrior dps worth it. Otherwise what do they even have?

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