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    Default Is HK MM crystal(2piece) a dps increase vs high rank PvP crystal(4piece)?

    Or do I need 3 pieces for increase? I'm about to get my 2nd HK piece, my guild doesn't raid HK often atm, soon hopefully, and I have the old rank 8 75 AP synergy crystal. I could get the rank 40 version for 85 AP as well. I can use either crystal with 2 piece HK, was curious if instant empowed shot would make up for the loss of attack power. I would think it would, but I wanted someone with some experience to reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malar View Post
    Or do I need 3 pieces for increase? I'm about to get my 2nd HK piece, my guild doesn't raid HK often atm, soon hopefully, and I have the old rank 8 75 AP synergy crystal. I could get the rank 40 version for 85 AP as well. I can use either crystal with 2 piece HK, was curious if instant empowed shot would make up for the loss of attack power. I would think it would, but I wanted someone with some experience to reply.

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    Get the ranger crystal, yes its a very good dps increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puandro View Post
    Get the ranger crystal, yes its a very good dps increase.
    Yep. You shouldn't touch the marksman crystal until you've got four HK pieces.

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    I appreciate the replies. I do not use a ranger spec, that is why I asked about MM crystal.

    Not to say I won't in the future...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malar View Post
    I appreciate the replies. I do not use a ranger spec, that is why I asked about MM crystal.

    Not to say I won't in the future...

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    It isn't for deep-ranger. It's for instant-cast Splinter Shot and Shadow Fire, which if you incorporate into a 51MM build can make for some pretty good burst.
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    Yeah, I know. =P I use 51MM/13NB/2RS thus no Ranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malar View Post
    Yeah, I know. =P I use 51MM/13NB/2RS thus no Ranger.

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    Ah well, get the MM then.
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    So 2 piece HK MM crystal would be a DPS increase. I am pretty sure 3 piece would be, just not sure about 2 piece.

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    Reason I'm asking is if I should focus on getting Rk 40 crystal or just get MM crystal. Three pieces will be a while for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malar View Post
    So 2 piece HK MM crystal would be a DPS increase. I am pretty sure 3 piece would be, just not sure about 2 piece.

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    Malar

    Reason I'm asking is if I should focus on getting Rk 40 crystal or just get MM crystal. Three pieces will be a while for me.
    Back when T1 crystals were introduced, people did tests and Durnes 4 piece + crystal for instant empowered shot did more damage than R8 suit + R8 crystal. During this time PvE items have gained more stats while R8 suit lost some crit to gain vengeance. So im 100% sure 2 pieces to activate the crystal will be a dps gain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malar View Post
    I appreciate the replies. I do not use a ranger spec, that is why I asked about MM crystal.

    Not to say I won't in the future...

    Malar
    Splinter shot and Shadow Fire (minus its buff) do more damage with a 51mm than they do a 51 ranger. True stories. The only reason I don't use 51mm/14+ ranger is because I can't stand all the cast times. Also I asked someone and they tested that you still get the "increases damage of all abilities with cast times" benefit on the ranger shots even though they become instant.

    Also ranger has a good greater with the 100ap proc. Which would help beat out your NB boosts you have now. You would have stronger attacks in themselves but also, your NB specs gives you about 18% raw total damage. You can have shadowfire giving you 13 - 14% damage steady maintained. So the gap is ~4% which is made up in the ranger tree anyway with the physical damage boost talent. Basically the same as your MM now just with 2 better abilities.

    ps. 46ap ranger buff + crit chance.

    Makes me want to raid to pvp >.>
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    Thanks!! That is good to hear.

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