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    Default MM/RNG Crystals - What is my *entire* guild doing wrong?

    The rogues in my guild are starting to get 4-piece HK, and not one of us is able to get better DPS with the MM crystal with 4-piece than with the ranger crystal. From everything I've read, 2-piece MM is supposed to be better than 2-piece ranger - at least on ST fights - but none of us can even come close. Of the 6 dps-chart-topping rogues, 4 have 2/3-piece HK and 2 have 4-piece - nobody is able to come within 150 DPS of the ranger crystal even with a perfect rotation and the 4-piece MM bonus.

    All of our MMs run some variation of 51 MM/15 RNG/0 RS, and we have tried every rotation variation we can think of. For the ranger crystal, we all have shadow fire and splinter macroed. For the MM crystal, we are always sure to use strafe such that ES is *always* instant. Crippling is macroed for both.

    We've tried:

    - +5 DPS whetstones vs +30 dex 1-hand enchants
    - 3/3 piercing vs no piercing
    - 2/3 quick shot vs 3/3 quick shot
    - macroing shadow fire vs manually applying shadow fire
    - macroing ES vs manually using ES
    - spamming a macro with quick shot in it vs spamming a macro w/o QS then manually applying QS after each finisher
    - only using head shot/rapid fire as finishers vs using hasted/rapid as finishers while keeping up head shot
    - using deadeye/rapid + head shot vs not using deadeye
    - not using quick shot at all (one guy in our guild somehow competes with this, I don't understand)
    - fervor vs no fervor
    - tablets vs no tablets
    - actual boss fight parse comparisons
    - dummy comparisons

    The MM crystal always loses for everyone. What are we all doing wrong?

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    Its all within about 100 DPS until you get to the 4 piece.

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    Pretty sure Blighted Ranger > Blighted MM.



    Once 4 piece is when MM crystal will be leagues better.
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    'What is my *entire* guild doing wrong?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knightcrawler View Post
    'What is my *entire* guild doing wrong?'

    Still playing MM
    Eh, our guild DPS is basically all rogues and you need *some* ranged DPS in many fights. We bring like, 10-12 rogues to each raid I am not kidding. Plenty of us do run Bloodstalker on melee fights but there's times where MM is better. We only have 2 mages, and they run archon and chloro respectively. I think we have 1 DPS cleric.

    Quote Originally Posted by Koe View Post
    Pretty sure Blighted Ranger > Blighted MM.



    Once 4 piece is when MM crystal will be leagues better.
    I might have been unclear - all of us are using Zardonis' (HK) crystals. Nobody is still using the blighted crystals. This is what I mean, you're saying the MM crystal should be leagues better with 4-piece and that isn't what any of us are experiencing so what are we doing incorrectly?
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    I can't believe I'm asking this.

    Are you guys using your "electrified munitions" buff?

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    When time allows I'll be looking at the issue with the class guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyzyx View Post
    I can't believe I'm asking this.

    Are you guys using your "electrified munitions" buff?
    Yes. Electrified + Silvertip.

    Go ahead and ask weird questions - there is obviously something we're missing and it might be obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koe View Post
    Pretty sure Blighted Ranger > Blighted MM.
    Huh...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carthoris View Post
    Yes. Electrified + Silvertip.

    Go ahead and ask weird questions - there is obviously something we're missing and it might be obvious.
    You talking about hammerknell 4 piece or the tier 1 raid 4 piece?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyzyx View Post
    You talking about hammerknell 4 piece or the tier 1 raid 4 piece?
    Hammerknell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carthoris View Post


    I might have been unclear - all of us are using Zardonis' (HK) crystals. Nobody is still using the blighted crystals. This is what I mean, you're saying the MM crystal should be leagues better with 4-piece and that isn't what any of us are experiencing so what are we doing incorrectly?
    Do you have 4 pieces of the HK mark gear to activate the 4 piece?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koe View Post
    Do you have 4 pieces of the HK mark gear to activate the 4 piece?
    Yep. 12345

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    What's your rotation with MM-crystal?
    Do you still use Splinter?

    In both rotations you use QS whenever the DoT needs to be refreshed and Swift Shot as a filler?

    Are you using Dead Eye Shot or Hasted Shot by default?

    You want to drop Splinter Shot with MM-Crystal and you might want to switch to Hasted Shot instead of DES when using 4piece-HK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffande View Post
    What's your rotation with MM-crystal?
    Do you still use Splinter?

    In both rotations you use QS whenever the DoT needs to be refreshed and Swift Shot as a filler?

    Are you using Dead Eye Shot or Hasted Shot by default?

    You want to drop Splinter Shot with MM-Crystal and you might want to switch to Hasted Shot instead of DES when using 4piece-HK.
    Example MM crystal rotation is
    1. Shadow Fire + CP builder macro to 5
    2. head shot
    3. strafe
    4. RFS/HS macro
    5. ES + SF + CP builder macro to 5
    6. RFS/HS macro
    repeat 5-6 until head shot is about to fall off, 2-4 to refresh head shot. Keep up shadow fire.

    The CP builder macro that is giving us the most DPS is just

    Cripping Shot
    Quick Shot

    We've tried using swift instead of quick and then manually reapplying quick when the DoT falls off or after every finisher but it's never been a DPS increase. I know it's supposed to be, since the ticks after the first will proc EM, but our parses just aren't showing it.

    We're not using splinter with MM crystal, and we're using hasted over deadeye because it seems to be more DPS even with the 2-piece ranger crystal.

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    Does all your parses done on dummy made from within melee range? Like kiss the target dummy's ***.

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