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    @ Lord Greenscale.
    Rogues 1 and 3 have R8 gun, Rogue 2 has Double-Barreled Problem Solver.

    Rogue 1: 378s active | 328 EM procs | 469 average damage
    Rogue 2: 361s active | 270 EM procs | 452 average damage
    Rogue 3: 354s active | 256 EM procs | 423 average damage

    Rogue 1 always has the highest EM damage and the most EM procs, barring fights where certain people are forced to stop DPS.

    I was under the impression EM scaled purely off weapon DPS. In some other fights, EM proc numbers are closer, but the average damage is much farther apart.

    What could be causing these discrepancies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eilidh View Post
    @ Lord Greenscale.
    Rogues 1 and 3 have R8 gun, Rogue 2 has Double-Barreled Problem Solver.

    Rogue 1: 378s active | 328 EM procs | 469 average damage
    Rogue 2: 361s active | 270 EM procs | 452 average damage
    Rogue 3: 354s active | 256 EM procs | 423 average damage

    Rogue 1 always has the highest EM damage and the most EM procs, barring fights where certain people are forced to stop DPS.

    I was under the impression EM scaled purely off weapon DPS. In some other fights, EM proc numbers are closer, but the average damage is much farther apart.

    What could be causing these discrepancies?
    AoE could cause discrepency in the number of procs ,but shouldn't be that much. AoE'ing makes your % to proc go down.

    Planar attunement could account for the difference in EM damage.

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    A heap of variables to take into account not the least of which is player movement and mechanics. It could be as simple as that.
    Or it could be differently tuned rotations. eg R3 is doing the deadeye piercing shadow. r2 the deadeye no piercing R1 the movement no ability bars except for shadow..accounting for the disparity in em procs.
    It was lgs fight were any of them on wisp and plant eradication..were they all macro users or any freestylers.
    You didn't give us enough info to make an educated analysis and LGS is hardly a good static model to draw any conclusions at all.

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    EM scales with AP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gery View Post
    EM scales with AP.
    source?

    last info i saw from easymode, which i duplicated, showed that it scaled only from weapon dps.
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    You made no statement as to what whetstones the people were using.
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    Quote Originally Posted by livnthedream View Post
    source?

    last info i saw from easymode, which i duplicated, showed that it scaled only from weapon dps.
    Source is a test I made. I spammed swift shot on a dummy for a few minutes and checked the average damage, then I removed all gear except weapons and did the same. EM did less damage with worse stats. It was not massive scaling but it was a clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gery View Post
    Source is a test I made. I spammed swift shot on a dummy for a few minutes and checked the average damage, then I removed all gear except weapons and did the same. EM did less damage with worse stats. It was not massive scaling but it was a clear.
    i did the same thing and came up with a 2 point difference in avg damage. ill rerun the tests when i get home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gery View Post
    Source is a test I made. I spammed swift shot on a dummy for a few minutes and checked the average damage, then I removed all gear except weapons and did the same. EM did less damage with worse stats. It was not massive scaling but it was a clear.
    Not to ask a stupid question, but did you account for losing the 4-pc crystal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eilidh View Post
    Rogue 1: 378s active | 328 EM procs | 469 average damage
    Rogue 2: 361s active | 270 EM procs | 452 average damage
    Rogue 3: 354s active | 256 EM procs | 423 average damage
    What could be causing these discrepancies?
    Planar Attunement in Guns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunharrow View Post
    Not to ask a stupid question, but did you account for losing the 4-pc crystal?
    And I really shouldn't test stuff when ill. Looks like I forgot to take off the synergy crystal for the geared up half of the test. Did it again and no difference with or without gear so forget what I said earlier.

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    If it scales purely off of weapon DPS rating, then I'm guessing that person A has:

    1) More points invested into PA to raise weapon DPS
    and/or
    2) Is using higher quality consumables than the others.

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    Default Question on AP

    Completely un related question, but seeing as you guys all know your stuff and actually parse things,
    the question is regarding the 51MM 15 ranger build,

    could you answer whether I should be stacking AP or Crit in my source machine?
    my understanding is that as my gear gets raid level gear, my crit approaches the soft crit cap of 1187,
    so I attempt to avoid hitting the soft cap while keeping AP and crit balanced, by stacking AP in my source machine, especially since controlled fire makes AP scale better

    if any of you can answer the question concretely I would appreciate it, as I am not sure myself

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    Quote Originally Posted by IcyPenguin View Post
    Completely un related question, but seeing as you guys all know your stuff and actually parse things,
    the question is regarding the 51MM 15 ranger build,

    could you answer whether I should be stacking AP or Crit in my source machine?
    my understanding is that as my gear gets raid level gear, my crit approaches the soft crit cap of 1187,
    so I attempt to avoid hitting the soft cap while keeping AP and crit balanced, by stacking AP in my source machine, especially since controlled fire makes AP scale better

    if any of you can answer the question concretely I would appreciate it, as I am not sure myself

    thanks,

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    crit to softcap, then as much ap as possible. usually means you will be swapping out lessers in your sigil as you grow up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eilidh View Post
    Rogue 1: 378s active | 328 EM procs | 469 average damage
    Rogue 2: 361s active | 270 EM procs | 452 average damage
    Rogue 3: 354s active | 256 EM procs | 423 average damage
    Looks like PA for average damage, and number of procs could be from AoE RNG or simply that rogues 2 and 3 are using deadeye while rogue 1 is using hasted.
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