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    Default Sabdancer *The Next Generation*

    Okay, so just out of curiosity I was playing around with this build on PTS.

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1M...xsfV00M.VV00Vb

    I am currently testing around with it, but I can't find a Bard on PTS atm. So maybe others can give it a whirl. Basically, the build is utilizing the Bleeds, bleeds, bleeds. I parsed it and got to 1750. I was using the BD crystal. Once I get the 4 piece I will switch over and see if the Sin crystal works better.

    So rotation is primitive an probably not optimized. Just throwing something out there for people who wanna melee without blinking.

    Spike x4 > Keen Strike > Deadly > Spike x1 > Detonate

    Backstab > Quick > Keen > Quick > Keen > Deadly

    Precision > Puncture > Backstab > Impale

    And re-run that rotation starting back at spike x4

    With no fervor/tablet I was coming back on Impale when it ran out..but since impale is a 20 second dot, I would probably clip it. Spike alone was around 500 dps even though it dropped off for a few seconds..Probably would go up a bit with bard since less downtime...so as I test this further, I will update. Hopefully there is some build out there where blinks arn't required. idk
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    this would be interesting if the sin crystal works on spike charge

    does it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyzyx View Post
    this would be interesting if the sin crystal works on spike charge

    does it?
    no it wouldnt.
    if it does, ****ing nerf please trion.

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    Doesn't - first thing I tested when I got the crystals. Assassin dots only.

    I feedbacked it too, before the assassin buffs I thought it would be a great idea for the assassin crystal to boost all dots. You could have come up with some crazy builds.

    OP - what gear are you using? 1750 is either really good or really bad depending on your gear, sorta need to know to see if it's competitive.

    Other thing is there's like no aoe abilities, it's a pure ST spec. Don't know why people keep trying sab builds with no shrap, shrap was the only part of sab that scaled with AP and was it's real strength. Not to say the spec is bad, could be interesting to play around with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spungey View Post
    Hopefully there is some build out there where blinks arn't required. idk
    Btw, if you want a sin spec without blinks, just use something like this:

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...0VRcxsfV00M.Vc

    It'll have aoe plus will work better come 1.6, when you can refresh annihilate buff with 1 cp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayi View Post
    Btw, if you want a sin spec without blinks, just use something like this:

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...0VRcxsfV00M.Vc

    It'll have aoe plus will work better come 1.6, when you can refresh annihilate buff with 1 cp.
    NM, they patched annihilate. Now the ap buff duration changes with how many cp points you use....
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    this is my current gear.

    http://riftupgrades.com/roguedps/?lo...84713dc44122bb'


    this spec atm was very energy starved. Only used self buffs, no whetstones. I will be doing some further testing on it today. The only reason I spec'd into sab was to get spike charge.. It is has massive dps, just from spike. Once I get some time today I will test it further, and try to refine.

    With 51mm on live, I can parse about 1950 with no outside buffs, with only the 2 piece set bonus. So I figured it might be a decent ST only spec
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyzyx View Post
    this would be interesting if the sin crystal works on spike charge

    does it?
    yeh..it def would be interesting, but sadly it doesn't
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    ok..finally got a bard. This was done with the same build, the same rotation(with a bit of screw ups)
    I used the Bladedancer Crystal to get the 2 piece bonus. Once I am able to get the 4 pc bonus I will try it with the Sin crystal. This is a decent single target spec, and I don't think it will beat a Shadowdancer in ST..just something I was playing around with. Maybe it can be improved on.

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    Played with something like this once on PTS. I don't recall the dps, but if you want to mess with it, I think my rotation was something like:

    Spike x4, Keen, Deadly Strike, Spike, Detonate
    Puncture, Backstab, Quick, Keen, Impale
    Spike x4, Quick, Deadly Strike, Spike, (use Frag Bomb/Time Bomb/Expose Weakness if Spike is still up), Detonate
    Puncture, Backstab, Keen, Quick, Impale

    I didn't have Precision strike. Had Long Range Bombing maxed out. No points in Remote Clipping. The BD points may have been in Time Bomb or Improved Detonate. Pretty sure there was at least 20 points in sab for incrim.

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    It's funny how many rogue builds get there dps from 1 ability. How EM was like 27% of the MM dps with crystal...same with the NB builds.

    The most intriguing part is Backstab is hitting harder than deadly strike. yeh..17 points in BD won't improve Deadly by much, but seriously..Our Rogue Finishers are horrid
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    I had my bar set up like this.

    1. Spike / startattack macro
    2. Keen Strike
    3. Backstab / Quick Strike / Keen Strike macro
    4. Precision Strike / Puncture / Backstab macro with Expose Weakness on top
    5. Deadly Strike
    6. Impale

    Detonate was macro'd to Middle Mouse button.

    sequence was.

    1 1 1 1 2 5
    1 Middle Mouse Button
    3 3 3 3 3 5
    4 4 4 4 6 extra 4 in there for Expose Weakness
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    Those numbers are actually really good for your gear level.

    Before the shrap nerf when I played sab, the sab-bd hybrids were all about spike uptime. You mentioned that there's a little downtime on spike, I wonder if the rotation can be shortened to reapply spike as soon as it drops?

    The build is also weighted more towards crit then ap, assassin and sab both are crit dependant.. though with expose weakness ap becomes better for assassin.

    I'll mess around a little bit with it, but wouldn't be surprised if the assassin crystal was better then the BD crystal for the build.

    In theory, despite being energy starved blade tempo should also be a dps increase over 2/3 in combat efficiency.
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    yeah..crit heavy indeed. Crit rate alone was at 44%. So another 5% from sin and then 5% from lethal poison. The parse shows that I crit a good amount.

    Currently I have 3 pieces Hk set, and r8 for chest/legs since it's got a good amount of ap on em.

    idk. I do believe it has potential. And would be amazing if sin crystal caused spike to increase by 30%..i know it doesn't though. I am going to try this spec on Sicaron just for ****s and giggles.

    The rotation I came up with was aimed at getting all my big hitting skills with the DD buff, but the rotation is long so Precision and Puncture are off CD before I get back to them
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spungey View Post
    yeah..crit heavy indeed. Crit rate alone was at 44%. So another 5% from sin and then 5% from lethal poison. The parse shows that I crit a good amount.

    Currently I have 3 pieces Hk set, and r8 for chest/legs since it's got a good amount of ap on em.

    idk. I do believe it has potential. And would be amazing if sin crystal caused spike to increase by 30%..i know it doesn't though. I am going to try this spec on Sicaron just for ****s and giggles.

    The rotation I came up with was aimed at getting all my big hitting skills with the DD buff, but the rotation is long so Precision and Puncture are off CD before I get back to them
    Well impale lasts 20 seconds and spike lasts 15 seconds. Sabdancer used to hit spike right after the last tick of spike charge giving you a spike tick 1 second apart, it lead to a large dps boost.

    I believe you went for letting spike fall off so you don't clip impale?

    I'm going to wait until tonight to test it so I can get fervor to get the rotation down, but thinking of trying:

    Spike x4 > Keen Strike > Deadly > Spike x1 > Detonate

    Puncture > Backstab > Precision > Impale

    or

    Spike x2 > backstab > Spike x2 > Impale

    keen > backstab > precision > keen > deadly strike

    Backstab > puncture > spike > Detonate


    Something along those lines - I imagine the first is too short and you'll clip dots and the second can be optimized. Use the clipped finisher for detonate. I don't know, just theorycrafting. Waiting for the third rotation to detonate will cause issues with the ramp up time for dps.
    Last edited by Mayi; 11-13-2011 at 09:06 AM.
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