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    Hi, I am having a bit of trouble on my bard in PvP .the main issue I have is that I am a easy target to take out. I want to help heal my ally while buffing, but my finishers are too short ranged that I usually draw player aggro and die. I feel as if the only use I have is spamming my 15sec buffs.

    I have sab as my secondary. But I just don't know how to be useful as a bard in PvP. How do you bard in PvP?

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    Though I am no expert in PvP barding, I do swap roles to it on occasions where the raid/wf do not have sufficient healers. My rogue is only p4, so when i bard, i go 36bard/30RS/0BD (blinking dodging gorilla with res?). If survivability is a concern, you may want to go deeper into RS.

    In WFs, choose a safe target to fuel your cadence. Preferably a tanking type melee character who charged into your line (best if he is not beating on you). If he is beating on you, blink, and use the RS mitigation finishers as necessary. Usually you should survive one or two beating on you while still providing some heals for the team.

    When things get heated up, use Virtuoso/Riff on a durable target (best target enemy tank), and enjoy spamming your heals while kiting. It can turn the tides of battle if used correctly.

    The only time you should have problems is getting stun locked and bursted down by assassins. Or when you over-extend deep into enemy lines and they turn your gorilla into pinata.

    In open world pvp, positioning becomes more critical, especially against coordinated enemy who will burst you down as soon as you take out your lute (after they murdered all those who cast healing spells). Use terrain cover and nearby mobs for cadence if necessary.

    My two cents. Lets await comments from the rogue experts. :P

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    34bard/32rs

    You are a hard target to take out and have several escapes. Every other bard I see run anything else doesn't get near the heals I do because they don't survive long enough.

    Though in before the rogue qq that bards need buffed. Bards are fine. You are a buff/support bot, not meant to be a solo healer. Plus Bards have excellent cc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tro44 View Post
    Hi, I am having a bit of trouble on my bard in PvP .the main issue I have is that I am a easy target to take out. I want to help heal my ally while buffing, but my finishers are too short ranged that I usually draw player aggro and die. I feel as if the only use I have is spamming my 15sec buffs.

    I have sab as my secondary. But I just don't know how to be useful as a bard in PvP. How do you bard in PvP?

    15 second buffs? Should be 30 unless you didn't spec into it (why wouldn't you?). And make sure you do keep them up most bards I see don't bother.

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    My rogue is only in his 30s but the tactics I use will be the same for L50 pvp. Hang in the back and use cadence on any pets or melee dps that comes in. As long as the melee dps aren't on you just cadence to your hearts content. You should never be moving forward during a range vs range fight because you have found out you will just die. Just sit on your side refreshing motiffs and wait for a pet or someone to come over. Pets are your best friend when someone puts it on you, I swear I love it when a pet gets put on me.
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    I go 40 into Bard to snag Fanfare of Knowledge. I like being able to buff my casters if the group majority favors them...oh..and don't forget to use your debuffs!
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    MM/bard
    Think of yourself not as a support/healer
    But as a killer with AOE heal
    http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/y...-19_024847.jpg
    http://s783.photobucket.com/albums/y...-16_195330.jpg
    http://s783.photobucket.com/albums/y...-05_211227.jpg
    Your main heal isn't cadence but Coda of Restoration and you can build combo from 35meter away before homing in to get it off.
    Don't give anyone a chance to ff you by staying within 20meter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kok View Post
    MM/bard
    Think of yourself not as a support/healer
    But as a killer with AOE heal
    http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/y...-19_024847.jpg
    http://s783.photobucket.com/albums/y...-16_195330.jpg
    http://s783.photobucket.com/albums/y...-05_211227.jpg
    Your main heal isn't cadence but Coda of Restoration and you can build combo from 35meter away before homing in to get it off.
    Don't give anyone a chance to ff you by staying within 20meter.
    Coda of restoration requires 20m.

    Bard/rs is better. Teams are dumb if they actually waste time trying to take you down because you will just port or flashback away, not to mention you can tank a lot. If you do run into times where you are getting completely ignore you can switch to stalker phase between ports.

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    With only 18 on RS you gain a great survivability. Guardian Phase + Blinks + Coda of Restoration and you can tank people for a while, enough to your team arrive and help you. Im not 50 (48 actually), but PvP as Bard is really fun... while your Dmg done is low, your Healing and tanking (Dmg taked) is very good, plus the buffing... I get "Savior" and "Juggernaut" all the time on WFs.
    yes, my main Soul as a Rogue is Bard...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kok View Post
    MM/bard
    Think of yourself not as a support/healer
    But as a killer with AOE heal
    http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/y...-19_024847.jpg
    http://s783.photobucket.com/albums/y...-16_195330.jpg
    http://s783.photobucket.com/albums/y...-05_211227.jpg
    Your main heal isn't cadence but Coda of Restoration and you can build combo from 35meter away before homing in to get it off.
    Don't give anyone a chance to ff you by staying within 20meter.
    That's a great idea... 35 M combo builders and then group heal your teammates in the back.

    Bard/RS is bad, I know I'm in the minority who thinks so but... it just kills your healing. Any healer who can't pre-kite is bad. With all those ports you're doing is only compensating for your non-mobility. With an incoming buff to mages a non-mobile healer is going to have a rougher time soon.

    Btw, I take out RS/Bards in pvp all the time. They don't have anywhere near the survivability they think they do.

    See screenshots attached in this thread... if 120k healing is supposed to be good, that's pretty telling in itself.

    OP - I'd play with Bard-MM, I think it's a great idea... 35 m and pre-kite to stay behind the lines and buff/heal your teammates. Haven't tried it but the concept looks amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kok View Post
    MM/bard
    Think of yourself not as a support/healer
    But as a killer with AOE heal
    http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/y...-19_024847.jpg
    http://s783.photobucket.com/albums/y...-16_195330.jpg
    http://s783.photobucket.com/albums/y...-05_211227.jpg
    Your main heal isn't cadence but Coda of Restoration and you can build combo from 35meter away before homing in to get it off.
    Don't give anyone a chance to ff you by staying within 20meter.
    I have a question for you, what's your build?

    Is it something like this?

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...0skqz.E0tR0z.M

    Sniper training also doesn't effect cadence does it? I want to try it out so let me know what you've figured out that works.

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    Look at the ability bars in the pic and you'll see what at least looks like strafe QR and retreat, meaning at least 40 in marks, but he has MoR (so probly 26 bard/40 marks). Seems smart because the majority of your healing can come from MoR, and you can (temporarily) move into 20m range to get off a CoR or something, but it would mean dropping virtuoso/fascination/resonance and (I'm guessing) improved fanfares. Lose some of the bard buffs/utility, keep the heals, gain MM stuff.

    34 bard/32 marks would get all of the buffing with a fairly serious decrease to MM damage but could still be quite good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tro44 View Post
    Hi, I am having a bit of trouble on my bard in PvP .the main issue I have is that I am a easy target to take out. I want to help heal my ally while buffing, but my finishers are too short ranged that I usually draw player aggro and die. I feel as if the only use I have is spamming my 15sec buffs.

    I have sab as my secondary. But I just don't know how to be useful as a bard in PvP. How do you bard in PvP?
    your best friend as a healy bard in WF's are players using pet classes (or npc's like in port scion). Target and try your damnedest to get that pet to aggro you, lure it around a corner, and frustrate the crap out of the other team when they cant kill anything. Cuss out any players on your team that "save" you from that big bad level 30 wolf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShalarLight View Post
    your best friend as a healy bard in WF's are players using pet classes (or npc's like in port scion). Target and try your damnedest to get that pet to aggro you, lure it around a corner, and frustrate the crap out of the other team when they cant kill anything. Cuss out any players on your team that "save" you from that big bad level 30 wolf.
    Yep I laugh when people put their pets on me because then I can go further into the back line. Though then a team mate will come and kill the pet.

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