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    Default 1.5 The dawn of sabstab (oh wait, that is already top dps spec...)

    So... backstab got a huge buff, saboteur and bladedancer got 0 nerfs

    sabstab (sabodancer with backstabx2 rotation) will kill the competition in all forms of dps (single target and aoe). have fun, that is all the theorycrafting you need for 1.5.

    at least ranged is viable, but sabs are required in raids (at least 2) for the incriminate... this is the real reason we have always run sabs in raids, them doing the top ST and aoe dps is just a bonus.
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    They have said they were going to make BD a viable in your face rogue soul, however there are no changes yet. I'd expect some changes to pop up soon regarding deadly dance and a full overhaul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordfishy View Post
    They have said they were going to make BD a viable in your face rogue soul, however there are no changes yet. I'd expect some changes to pop up soon regarding deadly dance and a full overhaul.
    we'll see, but they also dont want to nerf sabodancer since it is already behind warrior dps in single target, and behind cab/mage in aoe, so i highly doubt they will change any mechanics, if anything they will simply buff some BD abilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swordfishy View Post
    They have said they were going to make BD a viable in your face rogue soul, however there are no changes yet. I'd expect some changes to pop up soon regarding deadly dance and a full overhaul.
    Hes talking pve not pvp. The contra tempo got a change. Id expect more changes to come. Like either removing hit from pvp or changing all the god damn dodge bonuses in bd to something useful. at the end of the day they just take all the dps stuff from rift stalker and switch with all the defense in bd.

    Ps sozu's spec is back to original rotation.

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    What is the current live backstab % ap modifier?

    How big of a buff is 150%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyzyx View Post
    What is the current live backstab % ap modifier?

    How big of a buff is 150%?
    100%. 50% more ap...hmm lets see ap sucks..so probably about /shrug

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    Changes aren't complete or final yet as far as we know. At least they are making some game changing changes is all I can say at this point.

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    You really don't need incrim that much in raids. Maybe one?

    Still Sabs are going to be king for AOE. I just think there will be better ST builds out there.

    Ranger's need a bit of a buff with rain of arrows to come close. No other soul has AOE abilities anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hokonoso View Post
    So... backstab got a huge buff, saboteur and bladedancer got 0 nerfs

    sabstab (sabodancer with backstabx2 rotation) will kill the competition in all forms of dps (single target and aoe). have fun, that is all the theorycrafting you need for 1.5.

    at least ranged is viable, but sabs are required in raids (at least 2) for the incriminate... this is the real reason we have always run sabs in raids, them doing the top ST and aoe dps is just a bonus.
    .... and?


    No, REALLY, AND?

    By process of elimination, there HAS TO BE a "top dps" build.

    If 4 months down the road, another spec becomes "top dps", will you complain about that too?

    REALLY!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calo View Post
    Changes aren't complete or final yet as far as we know. At least they are making some game changing changes is all I can say at this point.
    The thing about band aids is they fall off. The changes are in a way a step in the right direction. The problem I see is that they arent really adding dps they are just adding the ability to steal healing. they seem to want to make RS a tree people want to have gap closers. But to get anything decent for the other trees is a bit .... The healing thing requires hitting our targets. IF you cant reach them your not gonna get your heal...

    MM will still be the pvp spec if you want to shoot people. Now you will be stripping buffs and staying alive longer rather then just stripping buffs.(until a rogue strips yours at least)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machiko_Naguchi View Post
    .... and?


    No, REALLY, AND?

    By process of elimination, there HAS TO BE a "top dps" build.

    If 4 months down the road, another spec becomes "top dps", will you complain about that too?

    REALLY!?
    reread my post, then read it again. not a complaint, just the end of theorycrafting which tons will spend hours on just to come to the same conclusion i just posted... well that is if 1.5 went live the way it is now on pts, which it never will, but posting this is an eye opener to the devs, since they read my threads and buff/nerf accordingly.

    afterall, i was the first to point out the huge exploits of the spotters order system and 1 patch later it got nerfed to the ground.

    i dont care what spec is top dog, just know im going to find it out and post my findings (as i always have).

    oh and 50% more AP bonus is huge, if you dont understand just compare your initial hit puncture to initial hit precision strike and notices how big the gap is, puncture has normal AP coefficient where precision strike has 100% AP bonus. and some of us have been heavily stacking AP since a long time ago and have very good #s to show for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machiko_Naguchi View Post
    .... and?


    No, REALLY, AND?

    By process of elimination, there HAS TO BE a "top dps" build.

    If 4 months down the road, another spec becomes "top dps", will you complain about that too?

    REALLY!?
    same spec for 4 months gets a little tiring

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hokonoso View Post
    reread my post, then read it again. not a complaint, just the end of theorycrafting which tons will spend hours on just to come to the same conclusion i just posted... well that is if 1.5 went live the way it is now on pts, which it never will, but posting this is an eye opener to the devs, since they read my threads and buff/nerf accordingly.

    afterall, i was the first to point out the huge exploits of the spotters order system and 1 patch later it got nerfed to the ground.

    i dont care what spec is top dog, just know im going to find it out and post my findings (as i always have).

    oh and 50% more AP bonus is huge, if you dont understand just compare your initial hit puncture to initial hit precision strike and notices how big the gap is, puncture has normal AP coefficient where precision strike has 100% AP bonus. and some of us have been heavily stacking AP since a long time ago and have very good #s to show for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adnoz View Post
    same spec for 4 months gets a little tiring
    Play another then. This game not only has multiple spec slots, but also multiple character slots as well.

    Try your Cleric or Mage for awhile.

    I'm an alt-aholic as well as someone who plays multiple builds per character.

    Do you feel the need to "only play the top DPS" or it isn't fun?

    REALLY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machiko_Naguchi View Post
    Play another then. This game not only has multiple spec slots, but also multiple character slots as well.

    Try your Cleric or Mage for awhile.

    I'm an alt-aholic as well as someone who plays multiple builds per character.

    Do you feel the need to "only play the top DPS" or it isn't fun?

    REALLY?
    I feel the need to not be dead weight to my guild, which means I will play sabodancer unless sabodancer does not work for a specific fight. It certainly isn't fun knowing that 19 people are carrying you because you decided to play a terrible spec. This doesn't mean I don't want something other than sabodancer to be viable though. This way, I can both have fun, AND pull my own weight.

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