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    Default Super Anti Caster Build - 38 Nightblade / 16 Bladedancer / 12 Inf

    Hello fellow rogues. This is a build I've been working on to basically destroy casters. I've been using it for a few weeks and it works wonders if used properly.

    The combination of Fell blades, Cloudy Poison enchants along with the Weapon barrage interrupt / silence and 2 abilities to remove dots, Cleanse soul and Twilight Transcendence make this build shine.

    I know a lot of people use 51 NB / 15 Inf for anti caster, but its my belief that this build is better for a few reasons:

    1) ranged interrupt / silence - weapon barrage
    2) no wasted points in infiltrator since anathema doesn't stack with fell blades
    3) deadly dance combined with Ebon fury for better burst damage
    4) sprint / sidesteps

    The Build:

    38 Nightblade / 16 Bladedancer / 12 Infiltrator


    Macros:

    Builder:
    #show Dusk Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    use Words of War
    cast Dusk Strike
    cast Twilight Force
    cast Primal Strike
    cast Fiery Spike

    Finish:
    #show Deadly Strike
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Deadly Strike
    cast Flame Thrust

    Cleanse:
    #show Cleanse Soul
    suppressmacrofailures
    cast Cleanse Soul
    cast Twilight Transcendence

    AoE:
    #show Fiery Chains
    suppressmacrofailures
    use Words of War
    cast Fiery Chains
    cast Weapon Flare

    On Bar 1:
    1) Builder Macro
    2) Ebon Fury
    3) Finisher Macro
    4) Dusk to Dawn

    On Bar 2:
    1) Sidesteps
    2) Sprint
    3) Twilight Shelter
    4) Weapon Barrage
    5) Maim
    6) Dark Containment
    7) AoE Macro
    8) Cleanse Macro
    9) Conceal
    10) Break free

    Offensive Cool-downs:
    Ebon Fury
    Dusk to Dawn

    Defensive Cool downs:
    Sidesteps
    Sprint
    Twilight Shelter
    Cleanse Soul
    Twilight Transcendence
    Break Free

    Control:
    Weapon Barrage
    Maim
    Dark Containment

    Buffs:
    Combat Pose
    Anti Caster set : Fell Blades / Cloudy Poison
    Anti Physical set : Smoldering Blades / Hellfire Blades


    Of course no build can be considered final and I'm always looking for input on this

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    looks better then what I was trying with
    32nb/21sd/13inf May try it out this weekend.
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    I've never been a fan of lumping defensive CD's together (looking at Cleanse Soul + Twilight Transcendence) but to each his own.

    How is your damage when you don't have Ebon Fury going? That was my problem when I tried a bunch of NB builds recently. With out Ebon Fury up I wasn't able to challenge most Warriors with a large HP pool or any defensive cleric or chloro. Defensive CD's against those classes just prolonged the fight and any self-heal negated most of my efforts.

    I wouldn't use Words of War in your AoE macro; may want to keep that lumped up with Ebon Fury only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitto View Post
    I've never been a fan of lumping defensive CD's together (looking at Cleanse Soul + Twilight Transcendence) but to each his own.

    How is your damage when you don't have Ebon Fury going? That was my problem when I tried a bunch of NB builds recently. With out Ebon Fury up I wasn't able to challenge most Warriors with a large HP pool or any defensive cleric or chloro. Defensive CD's against those classes just prolonged the fight and any self-heal negated most of my efforts.

    I wouldn't use Words of War in your AoE macro; may want to keep that lumped up with Ebon Fury only.
    Time Living Flame with SoD, that's your second burst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiberiusMonkey View Post
    Time Living Flame with SoD, that's your second burst.
    He's 38 NB, so no Living Flame

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    What is so bad about :

    44 NB ?

    INF 15 or 21 and either 7 Riftstalker or 1 -your choice.

    Either way Blackout to me is the best anti caster ability -anti anything really. If you do go 21 INF once every 5 minutes you get enough burst to bring down anything.

    Fel Blades and Anathema can be dispelled, BUT FEL BLADES IS ON A 10 SEC INTERNAL CD! (Which means it takes much longer than 10sec to put it back on as its 20% chance)

    When Fel Blades is dispelled pop Anathema, if its not GREAT use the global for DPS.

    Those 2 globals are huge, he needs them to kill you -thinking OP Domi/Chloro and Lock/Chloro.
    Last edited by Riftrox; 08-23-2011 at 07:17 AM.

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    why 38 nb? you have enough survivabilty with 32 nb imo.

    32, nb, 21 bd (FoS is a must) 13 inf. kill everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riftrox View Post
    What is so bad about :

    44 NB ?

    INF 15 or 21 and either 7 Riftstalker or 1 -your choice.

    Either way Blackout to me is the best anti caster ability -anti anything really. If you do go 21 INF once every 5 minutes you get enough burst to bring down anything.

    Fel Blades and Anathema can be dispelled, BUT FEL BLADES IS ON A 10 SEC INTERNAL CD! (Which means it takes much longer than 10sec to put it back on as its 20% chance)

    When Fel Blades is dispelled pop Anathema, if its not GREAT use the global for DPS.

    Those 2 globals are huge, he needs them to kill you -thinking OP Domi/Chloro and Lock/Chloro.
    What you said about Blackout is ****ing goofy.

    Cleanse soul is much better than Blackout against casters. Blackout is a better abillity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vitto View Post
    He's 38 NB, so no Living Flame
    Yeah sorry, just saw it now, read the spec wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riftrox View Post
    What is so bad about :

    44 NB ?

    INF 15 or 21 and either 7 Riftstalker or 1 -your choice.

    Either way Blackout to me is the best anti caster ability -anti anything really. If you do go 21 INF once every 5 minutes you get enough burst to bring down anything.

    Fel Blades and Anathema can be dispelled, BUT FEL BLADES IS ON A 10 SEC INTERNAL CD! (Which means it takes much longer than 10sec to put it back on as its 20% chance)

    When Fel Blades is dispelled pop Anathema, if its not GREAT use the global for DPS.

    Those 2 globals are huge, he needs them to kill you -thinking OP Domi/Chloro and Lock/Chloro.
    till it gets purged

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    why 5 points into the dodge talent if its a so called "anti caster" build?

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    Yeah blackout in my opinion is only really good against other rogues and warriors. Since this is an anti caster build, Cleanse Soul and Twilight Transcendence are your biggest defense against them.

    Also I really believe weapon barrage and deadly strike to be key to this build.

    I see what you mean about the fel blades getting dispelled, but how in the world do you stay that on top of things in the middle of a pvp combat to see that he has dispelled fel blades?

    This is an honest question, it would certainly help my pvp career if you have a solution!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrinx View Post
    why 5 points into the dodge talent if its a so called "anti caster" build?
    Filler, where else would you put them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riftrox View Post
    What is so bad about :

    44 NB ?

    INF 15 or 21 and either 7 Riftstalker or 1 -your choice.

    Either way Blackout to me is the best anti caster ability -anti anything really. If you do go 21 INF once every 5 minutes you get enough burst to bring down anything.

    Fel Blades and Anathema can be dispelled, BUT FEL BLADES IS ON A 10 SEC INTERNAL CD! (Which means it takes much longer than 10sec to put it back on as its 20% chance)

    When Fel Blades is dispelled pop Anathema, if its not GREAT use the global for DPS.

    Those 2 globals are huge, he needs them to kill you -thinking OP Domi/Chloro and Lock/Chloro.
    You could move some points from BD to inf and get this:
    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1M...ItkGRTo0s.E00h

    But I'm still not sure about knowing when fell blades has dropped on your target
    Last edited by Brikhouse; 08-23-2011 at 10:03 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brikhouse View Post
    But I'm still not sure about knowing when fell blades has dropped on your target
    If you have your ability names turned on, you can see when it proc's.. if you notice it's not procing at least once every 4-5 attacks, recast it cause you've probably been purged.
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