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    Default PvE Raid Marksman Build

    Does anyone have a good build and rotation for a (at least) 44 point marksman that's raid viable?

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    No such animal.

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    Eradicate has been requested of me.

    Would something like this possibly work?

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=1...c.Eht0qoAudR.0c

    Single Target Rotation:
    Marksman's Pedestal
    Shadow Fire
    Splinter Shot
    Piercing Shot / Quick Shot Macro
    Head Shot

    Strafe
    Rapid Fire Shot / Head Shot Macro

    Piercing Shot / Quick Shot Macro x4
    Rapid Fire Shot / Head Shot Macro

    Rinse, repeat

    When you need to burst:
    Improved Hit and Run
    Empowered Shot to 5cp
    Deadeye Shot

    Repeat until ends

    Quick Reload
    start over

    AOE Rotation:
    Marksman's Pedestal
    Lightning Fury
    Fan Out
    Concussive Blast

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    If its pve don't stop at 44, go to 51 then rest sin.

    Your dps is going to be much lower than any other ranged rogue spec though.

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    1. Any build with Eradicate will do substantially less dps than every other (legitimate) build.
    2. Concussive Blast requires combo points. Fan Out and Lightnings Fury give you none.
    3. It will be a dps gain to take one point out of Improved quick shot and take Crippling Shot. Its higher damage than Piercing shot and Quick shot and if you're spamming quick shot 66% bleed proc is plenty.

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...zoz.EhxoqzAudR

    You might as well swap the points to this. 3% crit won't be worth more dps than the wolf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auchter View Post
    If its pve don't stop at 44, go to 51 then rest sin.

    Your dps is going to be much lower than any other ranged rogue spec though.
    What's the rational for going to 51? You gain the +20% from the better pedestal, but no other useful skills. And you miss out on the better Ranger skills like Quick Shot, Head Shot, Piercing Shot, and Concussion Blast.

    It's the following trade-off

    51 Point Marksman / 15 Point Assassin
    +20% (net) Pedestal
    -2% (net) crit
    +4% damage
    +10% damage after crit

    44 Point Marksman / 19 Point Ranger / 3 Point Assassin
    +2% (net) crit
    +4% damage (ranged)
    +5% damage after Head Shot
    +1 cp after finisher
    +46 AP
    Piercing Shot (-~160 Armor)
    Quick Shot (Bleed)
    Head Shot (Best non-cooldown finisher)
    Shadow Fire (makes Ranger abilities do 20% more damage)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SrFamine View Post
    1. Any build with Eradicate will do substantially less dps than every other (legitimate) build.
    2. Concussive Blast requires combo points. Fan Out and Lightnings Fury give you none.
    3. It will be a dps gain to take one point out of Improved quick shot and take Crippling Shot. Its higher damage than Piercing shot and Quick shot and if you're spamming quick shot 66% bleed proc is plenty.

    http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...zoz.EhxoqzAudR

    You might as well swap the points to this. 3% crit won't be worth more dps than the wolf.
    Didn't even notice that Fan Out doesn't give CP... I can switch back and forth to Ranger when I need AOE... and just use Marksman in needed situations.

    I think I'd put the point back into Improved Quick Shot and get rid of Rain of Arrows.
    Last edited by RadioFr33Europe; 07-11-2011 at 06:22 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RadioFr33Europe View Post
    What's the rational for going to 51? You gain the +20% from the better pedestal, but no other useful skills. And you miss out on the better Ranger skills like Quick Shot, Head Shot, Piercing Shot, and Concussion Blast.

    It's the following trade-off

    51 Point Marksman / 15 Point Assassin
    +20% (net) Pedestal
    -2% (net) crit
    +4% damage
    +10% damage after crit

    44 Point Marksman / 19 Point Ranger / 3 Point Assassin
    +2% (net) crit
    +4% damage (ranged)
    +5% damage after Head Shot
    +1 cp after finisher
    +46 AP
    Piercing Shot (-~160 Armor)
    Quick Shot (Bleed)
    Head Shot (Best non-cooldown finisher)
    Shadow Fire (makes Ranger abilities do 20% more damage)
    Piercing Shot is -~573 armor, a ~17 armor difference from other applied reductions
    Last edited by SrFamine; 07-11-2011 at 06:20 AM.

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    If your raid leader requested you get eradicate, I suggest you find a guild where the leadership knows what there doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafeek View Post
    If your raid leader requested you get eradicate, I suggest you find a guild where the leadership knows what there doing.
    It's a pretty nice thing to have for Uruluuk. Also having the AOE channeled knockback is handy for preventing the adds from healing him during the final phase.

    44MM 17Sin 5Rng seems like it would be the best pure DPS build with Eradicate, has anyone compared that to 51MM or MM/Rng?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinadass View Post

    44MM 17Sin 5Rng seems like it would be the best pure DPS build with Eradicate, has anyone compared that to 51MM or MM/Rng?
    I tried all sorta of variations of MM right before 1.2. I ended up not finding anything decent and stopped pursuing it.

    MM/Rng parses a lot higher, MM in any combination with cooldowns parses just as high and then you're left waiting for cd's 200 dps lower (minimum).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinadass View Post
    It's a pretty nice thing to have for Uruluuk. Also having the AOE channeled knockback is handy for preventing the adds from healing him during the final phase.

    44MM 17Sin 5Rng seems like it would be the best pure DPS build with Eradicate, has anyone compared that to 51MM or MM/Rng?
    Still a complete waste. The way the fight is now, you have to try to fail at the mechanics.

    Tank can't pick up 1 add every 10 secs and bullrush/shift during storm? Get a new tank.

    Don't have an Archon + another purger? Restructure raid, seriously. There's lots of actual good builds that have a purge.

    There's just no reason to use MM in PvE currently.
    Last edited by Hellebron; 07-11-2011 at 02:15 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auchter View Post
    If its pve don't stop at 44, go to 51 then rest sin.

    Your dps is going to be much lower than any other ranged rogue spec though.
    Can also go 51, then Ranger/RB, get the crit from Ranger and the CP and Finisher Buffs from RB.
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    What frequency do you really need to purge?

    Archons have a spammable 2 second cast time spell that removes 1 buff.
    The standard optimal DPS mage build (Necro/Dom or Necro/Lock) has a 1 buff purge every 6 seconds.
    The standard optimal DPS melee and ranged cleric builds both have a 1-2 buff purge every 10 seconds.

    Rogue is likely the best option to remove huge stacks of buffs, but I'm not sure if you would need that much buff removal when other classes don't need to respec to get a purge.

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