Rogue PvE Bible - Updated for 1.3

[Dinadass]

A statement and a question...

I've been leveling with the melee build and so far (up to level 10) it's not actually been bad. I only died on some level 15 rift events at level 7 which I probably should have stayed away from haha. Just put all your points in RS at first.

The question!

When I am presented with quest rewards that include a dex based dagger sorta weapon and a slow strength based weapon should I still be taking the dagger? The rogue abilities all read "weapon damage plus X" which makes me think that I want the slowest mainhand weapon I can possibly find as every strike will then do more damage. Is that true?

No. Attack abilities are normalized and do damage based on the weapon's DPS, not the min-max damage. You want the daggers.

[dirksj]

No. Attack abilities are normalized and do damage based on the weapon's DPS, not the min-max damage. You want the daggers.

Normalized, awesome, thank you for that.

If the big slow axe has a higher listed DPS though, go for that? Or still fast dex daggers even if the listed DPS is a bit lower?

[Dinadass]

Normalized, awesome, thank you for that.

If the big slow axe has a higher listed DPS though, go for that? Or still fast dex daggers even if the listed DPS is a bit lower?

DPS is by far the most important stat for rogues. A higher DPS weapon that is slower and has worse stats will still give you better overall DPS, so go with that.

[dirksj]

DPS is by far the most important stat for rogues. A higher DPS weapon that is slower and has worse stats will still give you better overall DPS, so go with that.

Perfect, thanks a ton!

[Flaymar]

Hello Again, Still trying to get through the range raiding guide, alot fo reasearch being done post 1.3 Still thinking sab is the best option but still exploring alternatives.

i go with more of
http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...0VRcxcb.VV0G0s

Thank you for the spec, i updated the main post i agree with the point you raised.

I disagree with Bards stacking Dex, then AP, then Crit.

As shown by Joker225, Coda of Resto and Cadence are the only heals that benefit from scaling. Because of this, I highly recommend raiding bards spec for and stack Crit.

Gearing for crit, the bard could have every other heal or HoT crit.
http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M....EIdqiqskqz.ih
Spec gives a lot of crit and has the AP talent from the ranger soul.

Thanks for pointing this out, i was unaware, was always under the notion to stack AP. After reading Jokers points i can see how Crit is more benifitial, thank you.

Updated Melle Raiding Guids
Updated Support Raiding Guide
In Progress Range Raiding Guide

Really appriciate the feedback guys, keep it comming. Alernatively if anyone wants to speak to me or help me out i'm pritty much on email when at work or home, support@riftgamers.org.

[Flaymar]

Updated most of content just waiting on Ranged DPS Guide for Ranger. I've sent some emails to the guys who have been contributing to the information on these forums to help expand the melle Raiding Guide to give some more options, also looking at adding 2 ranged guides, Sabo and Ranger.

[Subakna]

Consumables List

Weapons
Massive Weaponstone: Use: Increases the damage of physical critical strikes by 15% for 4 hours.

Its Exquisite Whetstones, not Massive. Also you could add to list Icewatch Cupcake

[Dinadass]

Yeah Massive Weaponstones are 2h only, rogues use Exquisite Whetstones (+12 damage) or Fine Whetstones (+9).

[Fwosty]

You can still apply charges and detonate while you are moving around. Typical melee builds have their DPS drop tremendously if they have to run between targets, Sabdancer does not. Especially if you know the fight well and can anticipate it. There is basically no raid fight in the game where you should ever not be using an ability every single GCD as Sabdancer aside from Uruluuk when he teleports way far away. I use Sabdancer on every single raid fight in the game and have not ever seen a 44 Sab do better damage on any fight, either in my guild (we have a rogue with relic bow and better gear than me who uses 44 sab often) or from parses posted by other people.

I have a 33.6 mainhand and relic bow and Sabdancer still outparses 44sab for me.

I tried Sabdancer last night in gsb and ros and did much better than my other specs.

Also you just loled at my rogue Zoink at scope when i was fighting 1v5, rawr!

Trying out crazy pvp specs like 44 BD 22 RS 0 Inf for giggles since there is nothing else to do at rank 6

Narf

[Flaymar]

Its Exquisite Whetstones, not Massive. Also you could add to list Icewatch Cupcake

Yeah Massive Weaponstones are 2h only, rogues use Exquisite Whetstones (+12 damage) or Fine Whetstones (+9).

Thanks guys made changes.

I tried Sabdancer last night in gsb and ros and did much better than my other specs.

Happy it helped

[Dinadass]

I tried Sabdancer last night in gsb and ros and did much better than my other specs.

Also you just loled at my rogue Zoink at scope when i was fighting 1v5, rawr!

Trying out crazy pvp specs like 44 BD 22 RS 0 Inf for giggles since there is nothing else to do at rank 6

Narf

Hehe my "lol" was because you ninjaed the flag then chased someone away and let me recap it.

Glad you are enjoying the Sab build.

[Flaymar]

Added to the Melle Raiding Guide, Thanks to Hoko for updating his 1 button build and guide. Appreciate you condensing the information for us, i have updated the post.

[Malvolio]

Just wondering why noone uses a bardancer spec for support? Deadly Dances 21% per combo point to next 3 cadences seems nice. Does it not apply to entire cadence? or is it just because of having to be in melee?

[Flaymar]

its because you get more healing using the healing finisher rather than BD to buff Candence.

[generatedname]

i tweaked the melee sab build a bit, same rotation but without having blade tempo and parsed a bit more than 100 dps on dummy:

http://rift.zam.com/en/stc.html?t=0M...0VRcx0b.VV0A0c